(03-25-2021, 07:57 PM)RDB Wrote: [ -> ]This board is funny. I literally said the same thing about Collins around pages 80-90 and was roasted on this board. Sorry Kam but you are likely going to have to take a break for this silly, nonsensical post...the jeers should be coming shortly.
I said we would not be able to get him at the TDL but thought there was a possibility in the off-season as a max offer or S&T and that opinion was completely marginalized along with points I used to support my opinion (some of which have interestingly popped up in discussions since). There was one person, It’s Go Time, who provided support. Otherwise it was crickets except for the 2 ringleaders who seemed to get enjoyment in being condescending. Others can check but I suspect not...I’m a newbie and not one of the smartest people in the room.
To the 2 cheerleaders, $100 says Collins is not with Atlanta next year. I’ll stay consistent with what I said then. What do you say...just for shits and giggles? Let’s also do a second. Since you joked about my zero chance thoughts about an off-season acquisition, give me 1000/1. That’s easy money for both of you.
P.S. If this were to somehow happen, I am going to be insufferable on this board ?.
Ya man, I've had plenty of moments of being on your side of this type of thing. I mostly try to post safe calculatingly worded things to just stay in the middle lane I want to be in.
Still have strong opinions about the work of the FO as a whole and starting to feel out the chinks in the RC armor, but I've always tried to look at talent acquisition posts with an open mind.
Don't let a few posters ruin your experience here. You have a perspective, sometimes it'll be outlandish, sometimes it'll be spot on (If I remember correctly you came out with a banger on your first post) and sometimes it'll be meh. In my roughly 20+ years (don't remember when I actually found this site) I've been ran through for some of the ideas I've posted (esp in the beginning, but still to this day, check out my thoughts about that Delon trade!).
Just keep a level head and try to explain as best you can for those that either take your words out of context or read too much into them. If it gets too much, just stop responding. That's how I've tried to navigate this community.
So, Orl got 3 1sts, 2 2nds, Hampton and WCJ with the possibility of a SnT guy in OPJ in the offseason for Vuc, Gordon and Fournier. I'd say that is a pretty good haul.
IMHO, it depends how high those Bull picks turn out. I don't hold out much hope for WCJ ever being a rotation player on a playoff team, and late 1st round picks are just throwing darts at the dartboard.
(03-26-2021, 08:46 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]IMHO, it depends how high those Bull picks turn out. I don't hold out much hope for WCJ ever being a rotation player on a playoff team, and late 1st round picks are just throwing darts at the dartboard.
Biggest "asset" might actually be a couple of tanking years competing for those top draft spots
(03-26-2021, 07:57 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Franchises really, really, really want their lottery picks to succeed (particularly rebuilding franchises) , so if they haven't showed you anything or earned regular minutes by Year 3 that's probably a very bad sign.
Looking at last couple of years, Josh Jackson might be the only example that at least partially turned around a very dissapointing career.
(03-26-2021, 08:46 AM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]IMHO, it depends how high those Bull picks turn out. I don't hold out much hope for WCJ ever being a rotation player on a playoff team, and late 1st round picks are just throwing darts at the dartboard.
I think WCJ needs a change of scenery. Time will tell if ORL is the right change/coach, I still hold out hope that he turns into a new age Horford. You could be right about him though. Where the picks land isn't the point at the moment of the trade.
Sure, time will tell if they use the picks correctly, but as far as what they get for the players they're giving up, I think this was pretty good (probably could have gotten more for Fournier cause IMO, they for sure could have gotten more in a SnT for him in the offseason, at least a better player if only 2 seconds are the draft return).
(03-26-2021, 09:10 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Biggest "asset" might actually be a couple of tanking years competing for those top draft spots
Couple that with an extra 1st, wherever it lands, and they have the means to move up in a poor lottery seeding situation.
(03-26-2021, 08:43 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]So, Orl got 3 1sts, 2 2nds, Hampton and WCJ with the possibility of a SnT guy in OPJ in the offseason for Vuc, Gordon and Fournier. I'd say that is a pretty good haul.
I actually thought that they waited to long. The Holiday trade alone nearly beats this haul.
(03-26-2021, 09:42 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I actually thought that they waited to long. The Holiday trade alone nearly beats this haul.
In name, Holiday is bigger than any one of them. Who knows what offers they were getting earlier too.
(03-26-2021, 09:55 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]In name, Holiday is bigger than any one of them. Who knows what offers they were getting earlier too.
Holiday: 1 allstar game, 2 all defense teams
Vuc: 2 allstar games
Don´t think Holiday is a bigger name. Maybe the league is catching up and smart GMs realize that a defensive liability like Vuc isn´t worth a king´s ransom.
We know that the Magic declined Gordon for two 1sts in the offseason. No team offered more than one 1st at the deadline.
(03-26-2021, 10:04 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Holiday: 1 allstar game, 2 all defense teams
Vuc: 2 allstar games
Don´t think Holiday is a bigger name. Maybe the league is catching up and smart GMs realize that a defensive liability like Vuc isn´t worth a king´s ransom.
We know that the Magic declined Gordon for two 1sts in the offseason. No team offered more than one 1st at the deadline.
Lots of players were blowing up Jrue around the time NO was looking for a trade too. I was talking about name recognition too, not the actual play of the players. The two are sometimes not the same at all and some GMs can get caught up in that. Also, the price of players was at an all-time premium after the AD and PG13 trades. Hopefully after this TDL, it stands to level out that craziness a bit.
Also, OPJ, WCJ and 2 firsts, I thought, was the best value received out of all 3.
(03-26-2021, 09:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I think WCJ needs a change of scenery.
IMHO, he's too much of a tweener. He openly complains about playing the five and he's not physical presence down there, but he's also not athletic enough and skilled or a good enough shooter to play on the perimeter on the 4.
There was a place in the league for this kind of guy 10-15 years ago, like a Carlos Boozer, but in 2021 how much of your offense do you want to devote to providing post touches for mid range 2s to a player who's not really elite at it? He maybe can make it as a PnR rim runner, but that's not a premium player. I also don't think he's a naturally assertive and aggressive personality.
(03-26-2021, 10:49 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Aaaaand that's why the Redick deal didn't materialize until the very last second.
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1...4130712580
That makes great sense. It was probably either something that didn’t happen (like this), or something that happened very late (like Dipo for Trash from Miami).
If it was Green or Redick (and why wouldn’t NO wait if the only other option was a buy out), then clearly Dallas feels it is short a shooter (and seemingly wanted a deep bench PF just in case). It makes you wonder why Burke can’t handle the role envisioned here (though as good as Burke has been in Dallas shooting 3’s, he’s not as good from the corner as Green/Redick). Is Redick strictly deep bench, or will he get the Burke minutes (maybe 5-7 minutes at the start of the 2nd and 4th).
The next question is what (if anything) do these preferences say about the summer.
(03-26-2021, 11:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Is Redick strictly deep bench, or will he get the Burke minutes (maybe 5-7 minutes at the start of the 2nd and 4th).
Wow, that's a great question. You have a talent for cutting right to the heart of it.
I'm on the board of directors for the board's Trey Burke fan club, but I think I'm excited to give Redick a try at those minutes, personally. For one thing, I think that's sort of not a great role for Burke. His value THIS season has been his shooting percentage, but to my thinking he's more of a versatile scorer than that. In other words, I think impacting the game immediately during short stretches, rather than having a chance to get yourself into the flow of the game, is a new and different skillset for him and probably right up Redick's alley.
(03-26-2021, 10:49 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Aaaaand that's why the Redick deal didn't materialize until the very last second.
https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1...4130712580
LOOOOOL
Danny Green really is Donnie's white whale.
I love that the Mavs were pining for Green this whole time.
Thankfully Redick is a better shooter, though injured. So Donnie did right in my eyes.
(03-26-2021, 09:42 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I actually thought that they waited to long. The Holiday trade alone nearly beats this haul.
Those picks will be late late late 1st round. Like 26-28th.
The Bulls picks might at least be in the 16-20 range where a decent front office can find some gems.
(03-26-2021, 11:25 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Is Redick strictly deep bench, or will he get the Burke minutes (maybe 5-7 minutes at the start of the 2nd and 4th).
I think he will get Burke role and then some more. North of 15 minutes per game to get a chance in first 10 games or so. Then everything depends on his production
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