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My predicition: Mavs refuse to take back any longterm salary. They are trying to create more capspace (Move Powell, Burke or even Maxi). Plan Powder is alife.

(03-25-2021, 08:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Not necessarily. If they put on the table Schroeder, Harell, THT, KCP they could get some traction. Probably with additional team(s) involved to provide draft compensation for Toronto. Clippers are basically same with the likes of Beverly, Zubac, Mann. I think trades like this could really shake things up and involve many more teams.

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Also this - it has been reported several times that Toronto will listen to Lowry and respect his wish. So if he strongly wants to go to Lakers, Toronto might take a bit of a discount.

Seems like a lot of moving parts to resolve and not much time to do it. A lot of these guys are nightly contributors, so that production is lost and will have to be found. For LAL, LeBron is still out (maybe for another week or so) and AD is out for a while, so this gets rid of a lot of their depth. Similarly with LAC, although their stars are still healthy (for now). 

All for one guy who may, or may not, help you get to the finals. But if DAL can capture one or two helpers in a side deal, it might be worth it.

(03-25-2021, 09:31 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]My predicition: Mavs refuse to take back any longterm salary. They are trying to create more capspace (Move Powell, Burke or even Maxi). Plan Powder is alife.

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(03-25-2021, 12:23 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]It's just a pattern of poor asset management and player evaluation.

I don't see this pattern, at least not in the last 4 years.  The Wright signing was a miss, mostly due to fit.  The Curry signing more than made up for it.  It is very difficult for a non coast team to acquire assets through free agency.  The primary reason for our lack of assets is that we traded all of them to land our supper star and his sidekick.  When you realize in the last 4 years we went from a tanking team without any real player assets, to a playoff team on the rise, all from a #5 two #9s and future middling firsts.  Obviously they did something right.

The Barnes trade was necessary at the time.  He was a net negative on offense and was curbing Luka's growth.  Years later, after signing a large contract, he finally learned how to be a non ball stopping 3&D player, but there was no hint of that happening when he was here.

They did drop the ball the following free agency by leaving cap on the table.  They have not been perfect.  But over the last 4 years I would say the pattern has been more positive than negative.

(03-25-2021, 09:31 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]My predicition: Mavs refuse to take back any longterm salary. They are trying to create more capspace (Move Powell, Burke or even Maxi). Plan Powder is alife.

They should take back 2022 salary for picks to increase their war chest for the Lavine push. Doncic and Lavine must be Duffy´s two top clients. That has to be worth something. If we can somehow get our 2023 pick back from the Knicks for taking on Bledsoe in a Ball deal, we´d be eligible to trade 2022, 2024, 2026 this summer.

Maybe James Johnson + Josh Green to the Pacers for Jeremy Lamb + Aaron Holiday + a lottery protected future 1st (or Goga Bitadze).

The worst thing they could do is nothing and then whine they don´t have enough assets to acquire Lavine or Beal. 

(03-25-2021, 09:41 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see this pattern, at least not in the last 4 years.  The Wright signing was a miss, mostly due to fit.  The Curry signing more than made up for it.  It is very difficult for a non coast team to acquire assets through free agency.  The primary reason for our lack of assets is that we traded all of them to land our supper star and his sidekick.  When you realize in the last 4 years we went from a tanking team without any real player assets, to a playoff team on the rise, all from a #5 two #9s and future middling firsts.  Obviously they did something right.

The Barnes trade was necessary at the time.  He was a net negative on offense and was curbing Luka's growth.  Years later, after signing a large contract, he finally learned how to be a non ball stopping 3&D player, but there was no hint of that happening when he was here.

They did drop the ball the following free agency by leaving cap on the table.  They have not been perfect.  But over the last 4 years I would say the pattern has been more positive than negative.

IMHO, people get so consumed about "winning" meaningless trades that ultimately don't move the franchise needle and lose track of the ultimate big picture.    Not helped by the fact that he entertainment value of the modern NBA is more about obsessively following player transactions than the actual on court product (see TV Ratings).

(03-25-2021, 09:12 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://theathletic.com/2475756/2021/03/...on-gordon/

Interesting. This reads almost like Gordon's first choice is Dallas, but that Dallas isn't believed to be offering enough. I wonder if Orlando will in any way do Gordon a solid here. 

Also, I wonder if the McGee trade signals that Denver is out of this one. Not sure.

Thing about some of the trades over the last few years is that DAL has gotten value out of the "throw in" players. I refer to :

Powell, Dwight
Hardaway, Tim, Jr.

Seems like there was a third, but I can't remember right now. My point is that there are key contributors that aren't even in the conversation when the original deal is struck that change the fabric of the team.

(03-25-2021, 09:50 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting. This reads almost like Gordon's first choice is Dallas, but that Dallas isn't believed to be offering enough. I wonder if Orlando will in any way do Gordon a solid here. 

Also, I wonder if the McGee trade signals that Denver is out of this one. Not sure.

Interesting...If Dallas was willing to include their young rookies (Green and Terry) isn't that in range of Boston's offer?   I guess Boston can offer a first this year which may make it better.  But Boston's young players have had similar success as Dallas' rookies.

(03-25-2021, 09:54 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Thing about some of the trades over the last few years is that DAL has gotten value out of the "throw in" players. I refer to :

Powell, Dwight
Hardaway, Tim, Jr.

Seems like there was a third, but I can't remember right now. My point is that there are key contributors that aren't even in the conversation when the original deal is struck that change the fabric of the team.

I think Doug McDermmot was also a solid throw in trade.  I really wanted the player the Knicks got in that trade, but looking back Dallas wound up with the best player (albeit only for half a year)

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(03-25-2021, 09:55 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting...If Dallas was willing to include their young rookies (Green and Terry) isn't that in range of Boston's offer?   I guess Boston can offer a first this year which may make it better.  But Boston's young players have had similar success as Dallas' rookies.

Well, to be fair, we don't even know that Dallas wants the dude. Maybe they haven't made a competitive offer because they're not interested. I just found it interesting that Gordon's people went out of their way to point out that he'd "be happy to land in Dallas and play with Luka Doncic." I think that's worth something, personally. If true, then it's already starting, and Luka is still just 22. Imagine what it will be like when he's 26..28...30.