(06-25-2021, 01:19 PM)HanspardsShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]I thought Jimmy Butler wasn't too found on Embiid/Simmons during his time in Philly.
Just Simmons. He and Embiid are buds.
(06-25-2021, 04:50 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Sexton has bloated stats on a losing team, expects max contract, yet guys don't see him playing next to Luka but as a sixth man. I doubt young guys like Sexton are comfortable with a sixth man role at this stage of their career. Mavs also lose 7 mil of cap space. Under this assumptions, which I tend to think are correct, I fail to see why this would be such a great deal for Mavs. Maybe if there was Prince instead of Love or Cleveland taking more bad salary (Powell).
Hey, you might be exactly right.
I guess my interest stems from the idea that Sexton is nowhere close to being a finished product.
I think Love's mind and body are done. He does have a relationship with Cuban though so who knows. I don't watch enough Cavs games to comment on Sexton.
(06-25-2021, 03:06 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Ben Simmons is a one man wrecking crew on defense. Young just hung 48/11 on Jrue "five 1st round picks" Holiday, so what´s 5 for 23 worth? If Tobias Harris didn´t suck donkey balls, the Sixers would be in the ECF.
Trae Young was guarded by Simmons the most, in the East Semi's, followed by Matisse Thybulle. He had 21, 34, 39, 25, 28, 21, and 35 pts vs them in the series for an avg of 29.0 ppg, along with 10.9 assists. looks like he had his way with both, and whoever else Doc put on him. J/S
Love didn't play much last year. Injuries and the tank limited him to 25 games.
When he's playing I think he's capable of returning to that 17 ppg area shooting 45% and 37%. That's not as good as KP but he's a better rebounder. The issue is that he's just not on the floor anymore.
Why I do that trade tho. Sexton is a very good player. I think he's got significant value where as KP seems to be on the lower end. I have no idea how much that value is but I have zero doubt we can get more out of Sexton in a trade than KP.
If Bulls decide to trade Lavine at the deadline this year, it'll be very hard for them to find a trade package better than one centered around Sexton.
Also Love is definitely going to be an expiring after this year. Mavs have their 2022 1st. I don't think it's unrealistic to think that 1st and maybe a sweetener could unload Love's 28.9 expiring onto a rebuilding team. A draft night trade with the rights to the pick skirts the stepien rules.
That means you could use Sexton as part of a trade package AND reenter free agency with cap space next summer in a dream scenario. That's if you don't want to keep Sexton for yourself. He'd only be on your cap hold for 18 mill regardless of how much money he gets an RFA.
(06-25-2021, 05:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, you might be exactly right.
I guess my interest stems from the idea that Sexton is nowhere close to being a finished product.
Yep. Everything said about Sexton being a good stats bad team guy could haven been said (and was) about Devin Booker and Zach LaVine when they were Sexton's age. He is 2 years younger than Booker and 4 years younger than LaVine. I remember when they said the same thing about Kyrie before LeBron got to the Cavs. Heck, people were saying the same thing about Trae Young 3 months ago. At the end of the day a 22 year old putting up 24 points a game in the NBA is no small thing.
My whole thing about trading KP is I'm not interested in just dumping his salary for the sake of dumping his salary. I want a 2nd star. If the Mavs don't think KP will ever be salvaged into something resembling a 2nd star, I want them to parlay him into someone who could be .. and I think Sexton could be.
I'm not interested in dumping him for PJ Washington so they can go bottom-middle tier shopping in free agency just for the sake of getting him out the building.
(06-25-2021, 07:24 PM)HanspardShowerVoice Wrote: [ -> ]Yep. Everything said about Sexton being a good stats bad team guy could haven been said (and was) about Devin Booker and Zach LaVine when they were Sexton's age. He is 2 years younger than Booker and 4 years younger than LaVine. I remember when they said the same thing about Kyrie before LeBron got to the Cavs. Heck, people were saying the same thing about Trae Young 3 months ago. At the end of the day a 22 year old putting up 24 points a game in the NBA is no small thing.
My whole thing about trading KP is I'm not interested in just dumping his salary for the sake of dumping his salary. I want a 2nd star. If the Mavs don't think KP will ever be salvaged into something resembling a 2nd star, I want them to parlay him into someone who could be .. and I think Sexton could be. I'm not interested in dumping him for PJ Washington so they can go bottom-middle tier shopping in free agency just for the sake of getting him out the building.
The talking heads are all saying that Kidd's strength is in player development. Get Sexton and have him make him a star.
(06-25-2021, 05:48 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]Trae Young was guarded by Simmons the most, in the East Semi's, followed by Matisse Thybulle. He had 21, 34, 39, 25, 28, 21, and 35 pts vs them in the series for an avg of 29.0 ppg, along with 10.9 assists. looks like he had his way with both, and whoever else Doc put on him. J/S
Also, maybe the reason why other Sixers struggled on offense is because they were having to play 4 against 5 on offense because teams don't even worry about guarding Simmons. If you're an opposing team, you literally can just leave Simmons wide open and throw bodies at everyone else. What is he going to do? Shoot the ball? He's terrified to even attempt a wide open dunk.
Whatever the angst we as Mavs fans have seeing Young's Hawks in the playoffs while Luka plays overseas and the rest of the Mavs fish, at least we can take solace that they pretty much wasted the pick we gave them.
(06-25-2021, 04:50 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Sexton has bloated stats on a losing team, expects max contract, yet guys don't see him playing next to Luka but as a sixth man. I doubt young guys like Sexton are comfortable with a sixth man role at this stage of their career. Mavs also lose 7 mil of cap space. Under this assumptions, which I tend to think are correct, I fail to see why this would be such a great deal for Mavs. Maybe if there was Prince instead of Love or Cleveland taking more bad salary (Powell).
Booker and Lavine were viewed as bloated stats guys before this year.
Maybe guys who can score are just guys who can score and they do better on a better team?
(06-25-2021, 08:41 PM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Booker and Lavine were viewed as bloated stats guys before this year.
Maybe guys who can score are just guys who can score and they do better on a better team?
On the other hand, remember Wiggins...
You'd have a year to kick the tires on Sexton I guess. He'll be eligible for an extension this offseason (5YR 168M). I wouldn't offer a sweetener to the deal though.
(06-25-2021, 08:36 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Whatever the angst we as Mavs fans have seeing Young's Hawks in the playoffs while Luka plays overseas and the rest of the Mavs fish, at least we can take solace that they pretty much wasted the pick we gave them.
Any angst for Young is beyond silly. I'm sure both teams would do that trade again and both fanbases should be happy.
(06-25-2021, 08:46 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]On the other hand, remember Wiggins...
Wiggins was never efficient, though. He was always putting up numbers on crappy percentages and never had any playmaking ability.
Also, IF the Mavs make the trade now, they'll have a year to access the Luka/Sexton fit before giving him a big contract. It's different from the KP trade where we had to pay him sight unseen.
Billups is Portland new head coach. Good for them.
Dame got his 2nd choice, not bad.
(06-25-2021, 09:32 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/...2121344001
That hasn't been a problem for the Clippers in three of the past five games, which is stunning. How many regular season games would most teams win without their best player, let alone late in the playoffs?
(06-25-2021, 09:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]That hasn't been a problem for the Clippers in three of the past five games, which is stunning.
And Dallas took them to 7 with Kawhi. I think a lot of fans are getting too caught up in the front office drama and losing sight of how good the team really is.
Good, Bucks, goooood.... now do that three more times, so we have a distant shot at Collins.
(06-25-2021, 09:53 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]And Dallas took them to 7 with Kawhi. I think a lot of fans are getting too caught up in the front office drama and losing sight of how good the team really is.
I think it's pretty safe to look at our roster and say it's a matter of how good 1) Luka is, and 2) our coach was.
The only long-term keeper I see aside from Luka is DFS. Oh, and JRich of course (knee-slap).
(06-25-2021, 09:53 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]And Dallas took them to 7 with Kawhi. I think a lot of fans are getting too caught up in the front office drama and losing sight of how good the team really is.
It's not the team that's that good, it's Luka