(06-27-2021, 09:46 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the most underrated player in the NBA?
He's on the list, for sure.
I think the Knicks would accept Brunson + Kleber for Knox + our 2023 pick. Maybe you can even throw in Richardson´s expiring contract, if you need some extra space. Thibs is not a re-building coach. He´s win now.
Let´s be real. That 2023 pick is not worth that much anyway due to the protection. If Doncic went down for any extended period of time, we are easily bottom five, assuming Harrison isn´t as dumb as the old Mavs hierarchy managing draft positions. If Luka is healthy, we are likely outside the top 20. So Brunson and Kleber is a pretty sweet deal.
Getting that 2023 pick back is not the issue, if Lillard or somebody else wants to come here.
Finding an overall package, maybe...
Porzingis to Sacramento
Barnes + Bagley + picks to Portland
Lillard to Dallas
(06-27-2021, 07:57 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]There certainly does feel like there's at least a tiny bit of smoke here. So, let's pretend this is the case and the best buddies with Nico and wants to be coached by Kidd is a thing. What is the minimum Portland would take.
BTW, over half of the 2023 picks have been dealt and most of those have some level of protection to them. We have to have an unprotected pick to free up 22, 24 and 26.
BTW II, NY doesn't have to say yes if we offer to remove the protection on our 2023 pick. There is precedent for this costing an additional second.
I'm not sure Portland would tear it down. But, I suspect they would prefer to be able to sign Powell, use the MLE and stay under the LT. So, cap room could be a factor in compensation. Fortunately, we can help with that. Those of us who thought DJJr. might be a player here might get a chance to find out if this were to happen.
McCollum, Powell, Covington and Nurkic would be a nice start if Nurkic could stay healthy. They like Simons and he gets some minutes at PG and could be the future there. But, do you bet the rest of McCollum's career on Simons or do we need to provide a starting PG as part of the exchange (I'm thinking someone better than Brunson).
I think the biggest question is how do they view KP. Is he a fit or would they rather have the assets we might get for KP? Does Hardaway have any value here?
It takes $31.4mm to match Lillard's $39.3mm saving almost $8mm. Ideally you'd do that rather than going under the cap. Then you'd create a TPE by trading JRich into space and take back Jones Jr. saving another $10mm. Unfortunately, that probably still isn't enough to get them under the tax.
Am I the only one, for reasons of realism and things that are actually worth getting excited about, who is more focused on us pilfering their other good players if Dame leaves? Those four "new foundation" players that Dan mentioned are each better than every current Mav other than Luka (GTHO if you're one of those who are going to argue that that isn't true regarding KP for any one of them. It requires colossal Mavs homerism to assert that KP was better in '20-'21 than any of those four). If they want to give away one or more of them after the Lillard trade, lets get in on that.
(06-27-2021, 09:15 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]A good question of roster-building philosophy - if you have to strip your team of every useful player besides Luka in order to get Dame, is "Luka + Dame" going to be an upgrade? I wonder if you might get varying answers from NBA GMs, and certainly in this forum, which makes it a good question.
My own analysis? With a player who is as superior as Dame, it's "Luka + Dame" in a landslide for me.
What about the rest of the roster? I actually think it would make the subsequent roster building easier, not harder, because you now have role players who will jump on your bandwagon at a discount. That makes your cap go farther. OTOH, without that, every role player wants to get a huge payday to join your team, or to re-sign with you. There are no bargains, because they are your 2nd or 3rd best player and want to get paid accordingly.
I look at what players take to play alongside LBJ-Ad, or Kawhi-PG, or etc. Those teams can get real value for MLE or less. Alongside that Big 2, there are openings for minutes, and roles, and limited money, so that's what they sign for.
I don't think you can do it the other way around, where you sign the 2nd star last, because the role players want your unused cap room. To me, Mavs need to get the 2nd star, and then build the rest of the roles from there, and since they don't have that guy, imo they need to be all in to get that done.
Mavs aren't getting Dame but we have seen in the NBA when you get the stars, getting role guys isn't that hard. I would take Luka + Dame and filler all day long because you will get guys that want to play when stars. But its not going to happen anyway.
(06-27-2021, 10:12 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://airalamo.com/posts/san-antonio-s...n-clippers
Spurs fans still salty, I don't blame them.
I don't know the full story, but Leonard not being on the sidelines nor giving any quotes about his injury is a bad look imo. I know he is not a rah rah type of guy and he lets his play do his talking, but when you are the face of the franchise you have higher standards. Those Clippers have been fighting tooth and nail since Leonard went out. Is it too much to sit on the bench and cheer the team on or give a few quotes how proud he is of his guys?
Like it or not, Leonard exit from San Antonio was not pretty. His exit from Toronto was made easier considering he brought them a championship. He was a FA and could go to the Clippers if he wanted, but it just seems like he brings a lot of drama....especially for a guy who supposedly never talks.
(06-27-2021, 08:35 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I believe you, but do you have an example?
I'm sorta fascinated that KP is almost exactly at that minimum amount you cite to maximize cap savings. If Portland prefers another player to KP while stacking the cash, they could always flip him in a separate step-down trade that brings back about $25.3mm. Maybe they get another point guard that way. Come to think of it, Charlotte has a surplus and has been rumored to be interested in Porzingis.
I do. Milwaukee needed Cleveland to allow them remove protection on a pick in order to make the Jrue Holiday trade. Payment was a second rounder.
Good catch on a way to trade even less salary to Portland without going under the cap.
(06-27-2021, 10:06 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Am I the only one, for reasons of realism and things that are actually worth getting excited about, who is more focused on us pilfering their other good players if Dame leaves? Those four "new foundation" players that Dan mentioned are each better than every current Mav other than Luka (GTHO if you're one of those who are going to argue that that isn't true regarding KP for any one of them. It requires colossal Mavs homerism to assert that KP was better in '20-'21 than any of those four). If they want to give away one or more of them after the Lillard trade, lets get in on that.
This is kind of a ridiculous take. Forget for a second that we are cherry picking one season where KP came back early from an injury and struggled to get fully back to speed.
McCollum. I will give you him. I think they are similar in on court value, but McCollum is definitely more durable.
Powell. Probably similar value this year, although he fell of a bit when he joined Portland.
Covington? He scored less than 9 points a game.
Nurkic? He plays less games than KP
I realize KP had a rough year defensively (the only one of his career) and a counter argument is going to be defense related, but those guys were supposed to be the backbone of the Portland D and it was terrible (29th I believe).
KP has been a disappointment so far, and if you want to talk contract value it is a different discussion, but I think sometimes the KP bashing goes too far.
(06-27-2021, 11:53 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]If Dame were to be available I wonder how possible it is for us to acquire 1st rd picks to send them in a package centered around Porzingis.
If we trade 2 of
-Brunson
-Kleber
-DFS
Can we acquire 2 1st’s?
Is KP and 2 1st’s enough?
LOL no.
Absolutely nothing the Mavs have to offer outside of Luka is enough unless Dame says Dallas is the only team on his list.
(06-27-2021, 05:46 PM)cjeter24 Wrote: [ -> ]Any sort of Dame to Mavs trade centers around getting a 2023 pick or any future 1st and getting something of value for KP.
3 1sts, plus pick swaps, plus young valuable asset I think is just about the best anyone ever offers for a star. Anymore and it just kills your ability to put a roster together and teams draw the line. Harden proved that.
But Dame has to actually want out and actually want to come to the Mavs or at least have him on their list of teams.
Celtics, Nuggets, Heat, Miami, Sixers, Raptors, Knicks seem like the main teams that would go all out and with hold nothing but their main star/stars in order to get him
I'd rule out the Heat unless they once again pull a rabbit out of their hat. Here's their pick situation
2021- 1st to OKC, 2nd to ATL
2022- 1st swapped to HOU, 2nd going to IND
2023- 1st to OKC, 2nd to either OKC, BOS, IND
2024, 2025, 2026, 2027 2nd round picks all gone as well.
So basically the Heat only have 2025 and 2027 to give away with 2 pick swaps slotted in between.
Raptors have everything essentially but they seem to be closer to rebuilding than contention. I'd imagine it'd cost TOR at least Pascal and some picks. Not sure Dame wants to do that or even live in Canada.
Knick's have the most picks but I'd say the weakest roster vs the Celtics, Nuggets, Philly.
Thank you to the Bucks, now do that twice more in a row, please.
My early Lillard prediction is either Boston or Philly.
(06-28-2021, 12:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My early Lillard prediction is either Boston or Philly.
I was thinking Golden State. But they’d have to pay a pretty nasty tax bill if they brought him in.
(06-28-2021, 12:16 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My early Lillard prediction is either Boston or Philly.
Is Portland enamored with Ben Simmons+CJ McCollum core?
Boston's package would have to revolve around one of Brown or Tatum which they've been reluctant to do. If Ainge was still there I'd expect them to be in play but I don't think Stevens is the same big game hunter Ainge was.
Lots of interesting routes. Hopefully there is a Mavs angle in all of this.
(06-28-2021, 12:25 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Stevens is the same big game hunter Ainge was.
What makes you say that?
My thinking regarding Boston is that they're still better fixed than average for picks, no? And, I can see Lillard thinking he can just slide right into Kemba's job and lift that team a level or two.
The Philly thinking was about Simmons, yeah.