(07-23-2021, 02:12 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still pretty solidly in the "trade KP now" camp for two reasons:
1) we don't have a high enough talent quotient right now to survive another (and probably near-career-ending, and certainly career-tanking) major KP injury and have him become an outright untradeable $30M anchor. Let some other franchise with more flexibility take that risk.
2) if JC is our prime target, then you need to get a center who fits with him, which isn't KP. Holmes, another one of our major targets, doesn't fit either.
If JC stays in Atlanta or goes to the Spurs, then of course #2 is moot.
The Mavs main targets (basing this on Shams and Stein):
Kawhi
Collins
Holmes
*Lowry on 2 yr deal
Assuming this is true (and with Shams and Stein we can be confident it is), then the Mavs either:
1) Have trading KP as a priority.
OR
2) They are ready to put KP next to JC or RH.
I WANT it to be #1, but I think #2 is just as likely. JC is a "small" big and RH is a big with great feet on D. Point being, I think our tea leaf reading should start with what Shams and Stein have talked about.
(07-23-2021, 02:18 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]One could clame he is that anchor you are describing at this point already. In that case it will be easier to trade next season as there will be 30 mil less on his deal.
Not if he gets injured. Then he becomes at least three times harder to trade.
(07-23-2021, 02:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...6501340160
Darn. I really want Turner, but he's dropped lower on my list due to Brogdon not being a realistic target to accompany him (cf. feud with Kidd in Milwaukee).
(07-23-2021, 12:04 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]and Heat.
Man I hope this new group moves in that direction more!
Plan NO powder!
To be fair, the Heat have been doing things exactly like Cuban these past few years. They've just been doing it much better.
(07-23-2021, 02:43 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Let's get in on that
Well, the most likely reason for that type of (mis?)information placement is to further motivate whichever team actually IS discussing a trade with Indiana, so it's not impossible.
Or, it could be about GS wanting someone to lower their asking price for another center (KP??) by floating the idea they have a different target almost lined up.
Honestly, these rumors are all just a game, and we can't win because we'll never know the rules.
(07-23-2021, 02:49 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Well, the most likely reason for that type of (mis?)information placement is to further motivate whichever team actually IS discussing a trade with Indiana, so it's not impossible.
Or, it could be about GS wanting someone to lower their asking price for another center (KP??) by floating the idea they have a different target almost lined up.
Honestly, these rumors are all just a game, and we can't win because we'll never know the rules.
For sure. Every leak serves some team's purposes. I don't have the energy or capacity to figure all that out right now so I'm just gonna be a mindless fan. Then you and all the rest of the smart folk around here can fill me in on what's really going on. :-)
(07-23-2021, 01:59 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]If they targeted KP for that package then that means
1) they don't think there is anyone at 7 & 14 that can help them next year.
2) they don't think they can be competitive with Wiggins.
3) they DO think that KP is good enough to make them contenders again with their core thus vaulting them from 8th to out of the play-in.
Decent points. But on the other hand, GS and Dallas are at two very different points in their timeline. GS has only a couple of years of prime Steph (and Klay) left. Any player who can't contribute right now is useless to them.
Dallas is looking at 10+ years of prime Luka. Players who don't really move the needle this year, but are potential all-stars with the right development should definitely be on their radar.
And as far as KP goes, again, if he gives GS a couple of good seasons before his injury concerns blow up on them, that's a win for them. Conversely, if the Mavs can move KP for long-term value before his injury concerns further hurt the team, that would also be a win.
(I've never been on the trade KP at all costs train, and I'm still a resident of KP island who thinks he can be a legitimate #2 for this team--but concerns about his long-term durability are completely legit and if there's a long-term prospect at #7 that Dallas likes, they'd be crazy not to do this deal).
(07-23-2021, 02:32 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Kelly Oubre and two rookies...now for some live reactions...
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If we can't get him, I would ABSOLUTELY love that...
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(07-23-2021, 09:41 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]They can join in Dallas. I wish Mavs would be able to think that big and out of the box. It don't seem Mavs are capable of thinking how to bring 50 mil worth of free agents without having 70 mil of cap space. At least.
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...1429141510
Dallas isn't LA, but if Lowry and Derozan really want to play together, Dallas needs to be in that conversation. For years, I viewed Carlisle as a positive because he is an excellent coach, but it is becoming more and more apparent he wasn't viewed that way with todays players. I had no confidence in Donnie being able to sell his vision and close. Maybe the new guys are better at this....they better be.
It would be an uphill battle and Dallas would need to clear at least 10 million and Richardson would need to opt out. Lets say we would need to move Maxi for air (I don't see how we would move Dwight). Our front court would be painfully thin with a healthy KP and downright embarrassing without a healthy KP.
But could a starting lineup of Luka, Lowry, Derozan, DFS and KP compete against the best teams? Brunson, Green and Dwight would be your first off the bench. Maybe Nate HInton could win some minutes or Tyler Bey in the front court. Dallas would need to find away to uncover 20 minutes a night at PF somehow. That could be a minimum guy, late round draft pick or internal development. They would need to find a way to upgrade this spot within the next two years. Other teams have found solid pieces in the bargain bin.
A starting lineup above though is a good place to be with scoring, toughness, and veteran players. Three point shooting would not be great and defense might not be great. Teams would try to bully us with KP and DFS starting in the front court, but I would take my chances that I could find depth in the front court with smart decisions and the continued development of our youngsters.
(07-23-2021, 06:06 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas isn't LA, but if Lowry and Derozan really want to play together, Dallas needs to be in that conversation. For years, I viewed Carlisle as a positive because he is an excellent coach, but it is becoming more and more apparent he wasn't viewed that way with todays players. I had no confidence in Donnie being able to sell his vision and close. Maybe the new guys are better at this....they better be.
It would be an uphill battle and Dallas would need to clear at least 10 million and Richardson would need to opt out. Lets say we would need to move Maxi for air (I don't see how we would move Dwight). Our front court would be painfully thin with a healthy KP and downright embarrassing without a healthy KP.
But could a starting lineup of Luka, Lowry, Derozan, DFS and KP compete against the best teams? Brunson, Green and Dwight would be your first off the bench. Maybe Nate HInton could win some minutes or Tyler Bey in the front court. Dallas would need to find away to uncover 20 minutes a night at PF somehow. That could be a minimum guy, late round draft pick or internal development. They would need to find a way to upgrade this spot within the next two years. Other teams have found solid pieces in the bargain bin.
A starting lineup above though is a good place to be with scoring, toughness, and veteran players. Three point shooting would not be great and defense might not be great. Teams would try to bully us with KP and DFS starting in the front court, but I would take my chances that I could find depth in the front court with smart decisions and the continued development of our youngsters.
You are forgetting rMLE and BaE. Shouldn't be a problem finding useful bench players with those exceptions.
(07-23-2021, 06:21 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You are forgetting rMLE and BaE. Shouldn't be a problem finding useful bench players with those exceptions.
What is the estimated dollar amount for the RMLE and BAE?
(07-23-2021, 06:21 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]You are forgetting rMLE and BaE. Shouldn't be a problem finding useful bench players with those exceptions.
Cannot have both. It is MLE and BAE. Or rMLE.
(07-23-2021, 02:12 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still pretty solidly in the "trade KP now" camp for two reasons:
1) we don't have a high enough talent quotient right now to survive another (and probably near-career-ending, and certainly career-tanking) major KP injury and have him become an outright untradeable $30M anchor. Let some other franchise with more flexibility take that risk.
2) if JC is our prime target, then you need to get a center who fits with him, which isn't KP. Holmes, another one of our major targets, doesn't fit either.
If JC stays in Atlanta or goes to the Spurs, then of course #2 is moot.
#1... I don't think there's any sort of injury that kills his entire career at his age. Probably a bit dramatic there ha
Secondly, he'll only have 2 years after this year. We'll have our 1st. I think that pick and another asset would be enough to dump him even with an injury. Worst case you hang onto him thru 2022-2023 season and then trade him as an expiring that summer. And that's like the worst case possible scenario if he has some huge injury like achilles that makes him really hard to trade.
#2... I'm not sure what fits with Collins. Honestly I'm not sure what center really works defensively in today's NBA. It seems like they all get attacked aggressively on defense these days. The true unicorn is the defensive center who can guard the perimeter, not get destroyed on the boards, and isn't a killer offensively.