Also Saddiq Bey with a 30pt night so far. Dude has hit multiple clutch shots. HE WAS RIGHT THERE!
(01-20-2022, 12:16 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I think Fox is a perfect 3rd guy and an ok number 2.
I think that's the problem with every starter on the Kings. I asked myself why they aren't better earlier in the year because on paper, that's a rock solid team. They have a whole bunch of Robins and no Batman.
(01-20-2022, 12:16 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I just watched the Kings vs Pistons
I'm sorry you had to do that.
(01-20-2022, 12:16 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I think Fox is a perfect 3rd guy and an ok number 2
I respect your opinion, but just can't see how a
guard with nothing to his name but speed could possibly succeed in such a role. To play off of a star (again, as a guard) I think a catch-and-shoot game is an absolute necessity in the NBA. Like, non-negotiable.
To me, Fox is either good enough to be
the ball-handler on a team or not all that useful at all, though it's not too late for him to improve. I just haven't seen much evidence over the years that he's going to.
(01-20-2022, 12:29 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I think that's the problem with every starter on the Kings. I asked myself why they aren't better earlier in the year because on paper, that's a rock solid team. They have a whole bunch of Robins and no Batman.
And almost like fate Fox misses the buzzer beater to tie the game. The Kings were up by as many as 12 and controlled the game for basically 2 1/2 quarters. They gave up their 12 point lead in 2 minutes and lost in heartbreaking fashion.
Fox had some great plays in the 4th though. Had 2 clutch buckets and even found 2 guys wide open for three. Davis hit it. Barnes fumbled the pass away.
Like you said they have no Batman and it couldn't be clearer in those last 5 minutes.
(01-20-2022, 12:29 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]I'm sorry you had to do that.
Is it bad I like watching the 4th quarters of teams that are both trying to out tank the other? The game was a shootout at least! No defense to be seen.
(01-20-2022, 12:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Also Saddiq Bey with a 30pt night so far. Dude has hit multiple clutch shots. HE WAS RIGHT THERE!
Green has looked great lately, so it's starting to sting less, but Bey would've been starting at the 4 here from about halfway through his rookie year all the way to tonight's game. He's exactly the type needed next to KP, imo.
(01-20-2022, 12:35 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I respect your opinion, but just can't see how a guard with nothing to his name but speed could possibly succeed in such a role. To play off of a star (again, as a guard) I think a catch-and-shoot game is an absolute necessity in the NBA. Like, non-negotiable.
To me, Fox is either good enough to be the ball-handler on a team or not all that useful at all, though it's not too late for him to improve. I just haven't seen much evidence over the years that he's going to.
I see where you're coming from and to a point I agree with you. But I don't think it's as black and white as you're making it out to be. Sure I don't think Fox is good enough to be THE guy, but there have been countless of examples of good PG's with shaky shots still contributing to a major way. Ricky Rubio to name one with the Cavs! Tony Parker is another shifty guard who's entire game predicated around his speed and getting to the rim. Both of these guys were quite terrible spot up shooters (even though Parker had a 3 year stretch of 50/39/80 from 2013-2016).
Tony Parker should be the guy Fox should model his game after.
(01-20-2022, 12:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Tony Parker should be the guy Fox should model his game after.
Which teammate's girlfriend should Fox sleep with?
(01-20-2022, 12:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]but there have been countless of examples of good PG's with shaky shots still contributing to a major way. Ricky Rubio to name one with the Cavs! Tony Parker is another shifty guard who's entire game predicated around his speed and getting to the rim.
I probably
am making it too black and white (hard not to in these debates) so that's valid.
But, Rubio was never a max contract guy (not sure Parker was, either) and Parker might not have been a great shooter, but he was waaaaay good enough as a shooter to be a threat. And he was a GREAT midrange pull-up shooter. All pick and roll guards are, and he was one of the best of them for many years.
I will agree that if Fox learns to play the pick and roll game
as a scorer (*cough* Brunson already has) at a level anywhere near Parker's then his trajectory will change quite a bit.
The two best bigs in the league had epic games tonight. The Joker had a 49 pt, 14 reb, 10 assists triple double in a OT win vs the Clippers. And Joel Embiid had 50 pts, 12 reb, 3 blks. In a win vs the Magic. He had 47 pts in 3 qtrs. 20 pts in the 1st, and 20 pts in the 3rd qtr. 1st player in 25 years to have two 20 pt qtrs in the same game.
This is mostly about the Lakers, but there's a bit starting just after the 6 minute mark about roster building that I think everyone here should hear.
https://youtu.be/KfdoNxQU8Sg
(01-20-2022, 12:28 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Also Saddiq Bey with a 30pt night so far. Dude has hit multiple clutch shots. HE WAS RIGHT THERE!
Bey has been ballin out lately. He's been their leading scorer since Grant went down.
(01-20-2022, 12:59 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]The two best bigs in the league had epic games tonight. The Joker had a 49 pt, 14 reb, 10 assists triple double in a OT win vs the Clippers. And Joel Embiid had 50 pts, 12 reb, 3 blks. In a win vs the Magic. He had 47 pts in 3 qtrs. 20 pts in the 1st, and 20 pts in the 3rd qtr. 1st player in 25 years to have two 20 pt qtrs in the same game.
A few weeks ago, I made a comment how Philly was sort of throwing away a prime Embiid season away. Since then, like the Mavs, they have gone on a run and are now near the top 4 seeds in the East. I still believe without Simmons or someone of his caliber via trade that they don't have enough. But a healthy Embiid is a beast to stop.
(01-20-2022, 12:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I see where you're coming from and to a point I agree with you. But I don't think it's as black and white as you're making it out to be. Sure I don't think Fox is good enough to be THE guy, but there have been countless of examples of good PG's with shaky shots still contributing to a major way. Ricky Rubio to name one with the Cavs! Tony Parker is another shifty guard who's entire game predicated around his speed and getting to the rim. Both of these guys were quite terrible spot up shooters (even though Parker had a 3 year stretch of 50/39/80 from 2013-2016).
Tony Parker should be the guy Fox should model his game after.
The ideal fit would be D’Angelo Russell if they can get him somehow. Else I can live with Fox. I agree with KL concerns but beggars can’t be choosers. We don’t have a bad team. We have some good players. What we are lacking is legit starting level talent across the board. Whatever his fit on this team he is a massive talent upgrade over anyone other than Luka.
Also we are not the Lakers. As much as I hate Westbrook’s game he too would be an upgrade to most of our starters. LA can move him and get a better stud. Teams like the Mavs don’t have that luxury. In the NBA landscape we are just another team when it comes to prospective FAs.
(01-20-2022, 11:29 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]The ideal fit would be D’Angelo Russell if they can get him somehow. Else I can live with Fox. I agree with KL concerns but beggars can’t be choosers. We don’t have a bad team. We have some good players. What we are lacking is legit starting level talent across the board. Whatever his fit on this team he is a massive talent upgrade over anyone other than Luka.
Also we are not the Lakers. As much as I hate Westbrook’s game he too would be an upgrade to most of our starters. LA can move him and get a better stud. Teams like the Mavs don’t have that luxury. In the NBA landscape we are just another team when it comes to prospective FAs.
Oh I'd love for Fox to be in a Mavs uniform. But I don't see why the Mavs would sink so many assets when Brunson is working out just fine.
Russell is having a mediocre year offensively, but a great year defensively and I'd agree he'd be a good fit. Don't think the Wolves are trying to have a fire sale though and we wouldn't give up any core pieces.
(01-20-2022, 12:19 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]No matter how you feel about Turner and Sabonis, their commitment to not play for Carlisle is next level.
https://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/1...3045916672
What did they say?
Man, if Rick can't get NBA players to play for him any longer, then we may be seeing the downfall of a great coach.
I was just making a joke. Their injuries legitimately sound pretty serious.
(01-20-2022, 12:30 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I was just making a joke. Their injuries legitimately sound pretty serious.
Pacers are 2-10 in their last 12 games. With wins over Utah and Lakers. Things are bad in Indiana right now.
Didn't Sabonis basically say "get me out of here I don't want to play like how Carlisle is using me" at one point? I'm paraphrasing of course but I remember Sabonis basically strong arming the Pacers into trading him.
I have no doubt he'll milk this ankle injury for all it's worth.