(08-09-2021, 03:40 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]oh please, lol
"Us" referred to Mavs fans as a whole, not just this erudite board. Cuban and his PR machine are the seducers, not anyone here, haha.
I think the Mavs will be good, I just don't think they're much of a lock this season to contend (WCF). Or, tbh, even to almost contend (good showing in the second round). I think a reasonable goal at this point is for them to get out of the first round. That seems realistically achievable with a bit of luck. (Of course, I would be thrilled to see them exceed those expectations, but don't want to set them up to disappoint.)
I totally hope your assessment is accurate!!
Well, it actually sounds like my assessment is not too much different than yours. I'm thinking that "get out of the first round" and "a good showing in the second round" should be an expectation. I certaily wouldn't call them a lock for the WCF.
But, dog gone, why am I even in this thread? WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE OFFSEASON!!
(08-09-2021, 03:44 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Haha, you should do a regular standup routine for us, fif. I know I'm in stitches, lol.
That's mostly what I do around here. But it's usually just background noise. You should have seen my Danny White joke recently. You'd have spit your orange juice on your phone.
Why is nobody talking about jokic?
If we ever have a bananaboat or lowry/butler tampering, its gonna be luca and jokic. These guys are close! Guys in the US dont understand these balkan roots. They just see european players. Luca and jokic are like two guys from the same town in california - meanwhile dirk is from kansas an porzingis from wisconsin from a cultural standpoint (i hope you guys get the probably bad example)
If jokic isnt about the money (supermax incoming, but no income tax in dallas…) i can see a big possibility for a trade after next years draft involving porzingis (we need to trade our 22 pick for our 23 pick with new york to open our warchest) if jokic asks out. Or he becomes a free agent in 23.
Is denver really gona win next season or in the future with murray coming back from injury? Look at there roster! Add Porter and thats really it… gordon needs an extention and didnt really boost them in the play offs and morris/barton ar not better then our guys. So jokic would change murray+porter against luca. Additionally we actually sign 3 and D players who fit those two players, meanwhile denver?
(08-09-2021, 03:06 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I still question their evaluation of THJ. Other teams offered him the same or more money so maybe I'm the crazy one. Though it isn't like NBA teams give out terrible contracts all the time. I really hate talking junk about THJ because I love the person, how hard he works, and unlike so many others, he wants to be here.
I don't think the MBT has any other choice but to try and make KP work out. You could probably trade him pretty easily, but you aren't going to return value at this point.
I think the new MBT did okay this offseason. The real test for me is how they draft next year.
Edit: I also think we view DSJ through the lens of what he's become and his last few moments in Dallas. He still had a good rookie campaign under his belt and potential at the time we traded him. And lord knows Carlisle and point guards. There were probably other opportunities to return value for him if they deemed he needed to be traded. And if the Mavs intention was THJ, I really hope the principles on that deal weren't centered around DSJ but rather expiring contracts for what was at the time, one of the leagues worst contracts in THJ.
DSJ had a wildly inefficient rookie season, was a bad fit with Luka, and had just bailed on the team for an extended period of time. He was a headcase and they needed to dump him ASAP. Its hard to argue against that trade (except for in hindsight) considering they dumped multiple guys that were negatively impacting Luka growth and a couple of firsts that they anticipated (correctly) would not be lottery. Couple that with the fact that they have never been able to bring in high level free agents (and still can't), meaning trade was the only likely option and taking on extra salary to do it is not as big a deal as the opportunity cost is low if you can't do much with the cap space. Potential stars do not become available by trade often. You kind of have to pull that trigger when you can, especially for a guy who seemed to be a perfect fit with Luka, even if there were significant injury concerns.
(08-09-2021, 03:53 PM)sliver91 Wrote: [ -> ]Why is nobody talking about jokic?
If we ever have a bananaboat or lowry/butler tampering, its gonna be luca and jokic. These guys are close! Guys in the US dont understand these balkan roots. They just see european players. Luca and jokic are like two guys from the same town in california - meanwhile dirk is from kansas an porzingis from wisconsin from a cultural standpoint (i hope you guys get the probably bad example)
If jokic isnt about the money (supermax incoming, but no income tax in dallas…) i can see a big possibility for a trade after next years draft involving porzingis (we need to trade our 22 pick for our 23 pick with new york to open our warchest) if jokic asks out. Or he becomes a free agent in 23.
Is denver really gona win next season or in the future with murray coming back from injury? Look at there roster! Add Porter and thats really it… gordon needs an extention and didnt really boost them in the play offs and morris/barton ar not better then our guys. So jokic would change murray+porter against luca. Additionally we actually sign 3 and D players who fit those two players, meanwhile denver?
Listen I love Big Honey. He's probably my favorite non-mav player right now in the league. But I just don't see him ever leaving Denver especially because they're competitive.
Here's what he said earlier this year:
https://twitter.com/NBASerbians/status/1...8297859073
If anything I'm petrified of the Nuggets luring Luka away because of the Mavs incompetency. Thankfully we have another 5 years and a lot can happen in that time.
(08-09-2021, 12:55 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]but I think they're top 4 in the west.
They might be based on continuity but not based on talent IMO.
Lakers
Clippers
Suns
Nuggets
Jazz
are all in a tier above the Mavericks.
(08-09-2021, 03:53 PM)sliver91 Wrote: [ -> ]Why is nobody talking about jokic?
If we ever have a bananaboat or lowry/butler tampering, its gonna be luca and jokic. These guys are close! Guys in the US dont understand these balkan roots. They just see european players. Luca and jokic are like two guys from the same town in california - meanwhile dirk is from kansas an porzingis from wisconsin from a cultural standpoint (i hope you guys get the probably bad example)
If jokic isnt about the money (supermax incoming, but no income tax in dallas…) i can see a big possibility for a trade after next years draft involving porzingis (we need to trade our 22 pick for our 23 pick with new york to open our warchest) if jokic asks out. Or he becomes a free agent in 23.
Is denver really gona win next season or in the future with murray coming back from injury? Look at there roster! Add Porter and thats really it… gordon needs an extention and didnt really boost them in the play offs and morris/barton ar not better then our guys. So jokic would change murray+porter against luca. Additionally we actually sign 3 and D players who fit those two players, meanwhile denver?
If I'm Joker or Doncic I know which front office I'd pick to build a potential contender if the option was only Denver and Dallas.
(08-09-2021, 04:08 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]They might be based on continuity but not based on talent IMO.
Lakers
Clippers
Suns
Nuggets
Jazz
are all in a tier above the Mavericks.
You think Clippers with no KL? And you think the Laker's overcome age, health and lack of shooting?
(08-09-2021, 04:06 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]If anything I'm petrified of the Nuggets luring Luka away because of the Mavs incompetency. Thankfully we have another 5 years and a lot can happen in that time.
Yikes!
The only NBA player I have ever heard Luka express a desire to go after is Jokic. He said the Mavs should try to get Jokic, and he knew Jokic would come. (I think someone must have muzzled him after that, as I never saw it followed up on.)
(08-09-2021, 02:02 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]But it can be easily argued that the Mavs season was far more chaotic and tumultuous than all or most of these other teams. Did any of those teams have a locker room on the verge of collapsing (thank God for Boban keeping it from happening!)?
Here we go again. Creating a narrative for the forum no one knows the truth/severity of.
I'd think Lebron and AD being hurt or Connely and Donovan Mitchell being hurt MIGHT be a bigger hindrance to winning a title than Carlisle is evil and Mavs players are on the verge of quitting.
Just your daily reminder that the Mavs did not fire Rick Carlisle. I guess our owner wanted another locker room collapse this year.
(08-09-2021, 03:44 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]That's mostly what I do around here. But it's usually just background noise. You should have seen my Danny White joke recently. You'd have spit your orange juice on your phone.
haha
Don't be modest, fif, you know you're our esteemed Voice of Reason.
(08-09-2021, 04:09 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]You think Clippers with no KL? And you think the Laker's overcome age, health and lack of shooting?
These arent my predictions on regular season rankings. These are my predictions on teams that can claim to be championship contenders. Lakers, Clippers (if Kawhi is back for playoffs), Suns, Nuggets, Jazz, Bucks, Sixers, Nets.
I dont think Mavs, Portland, Atlanta, Knicks can claim to be title contenders.
(08-09-2021, 04:11 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]Here we go again. Creating a narrative no one knows the truth/severity of.
I'd think Lebron and AD being hurt MIGHT be a bigger hindrance than Carlisle is evil and Mavs players are on the verge of quitting.
Hey JS82, how about not reading Kam's posts? You're not going to change him. He's not trying to change you. Read other people's stuff that you like better.
(08-09-2021, 04:14 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]These arent my predictions on regular season rankings. These are my predictions on teams that can claim to be championship contenders. Lakers, Clippers (if Kawhi is back for playoffs), Suns, Nuggets, Jazz, Bucks, Sixers, Nets.
I dont think Mavs, Portland, Atlanta, Knicks can claim to be title contenders.
I agree with all that. I don't think the Mavs are title contenders. And if the Lakers big 2 can stay healthy, and if KL is back for the playoffs, then of course both LAs are contenders.
(08-09-2021, 04:12 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]haha
Don't be modest, fif, you know you're our esteemed Voice of Reason.
Obviously NOT!!!
I think the Mavs are going to be good. And I don't think the Mavs are a bottom tier franchise.
There’s also the possibility Kidd can’t even coach Carlisle’s summer league team, (hyperbole) but I am not too worried about Kidd’s coaching, I feel Luka will take care of most the stuff happening on the court.
@"jesusshuttlesworth82", meet me in the cave. I'll start a thread
(08-09-2021, 04:30 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]There’s also the possibility Kidd can’t even coach Carlisle’s summer league team, (hyperbole) but I am not too worried about Kidd’s coaching, I feel Luka will take care of most the stuff happening on the court.
The MBT think the biggest improvement the team will have this year is coming from Kidd. Color me worried.
(08-09-2021, 04:40 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The MBT think the biggest improvement the team will have this year is coming from Kidd. Color me worried.
I don't know. I don't think the Mavs are necessarily under the impression that Kidd is a BETTER coach than Carlisle. There's not really any evidence to support that, that I'm aware of. But he's a DIFFERENT coach, and that might be enough for guys who had issues with Rick.
(08-09-2021, 04:43 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know. I don't think the Mavs are necessarily under the impression that Kidd is a BETTER coach than Carlisle. There's not really any evidence to support that, that I'm aware of. But he's a DIFFERENT coach, and that might be enough for guys who had issues with Rick.
Doesn't really change my color.
Just a reminder that the Mavericks did not fire Rick Carlisle.