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Why would you work out with the enemy?  I still would kick the tires if you think he is better than Burke and still wants to play with Luka.  I think Dragic could play the shooting guard role with the second unit and gives us injury protection if we lose one of the other three.

(02-15-2022, 09:37 AM)LukTheShadow Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1493590284621471753?s=20&t=YAZ-gOZ0hDBVXmiUIjKDMg

Well Burke is injured. Not that we needed another reason to get Dragic over him.

Is this a sign Dragic is not going to Milwaukee?

(1) Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter: "The Milwaukee Bucks are closing in on signing free agent G/F DeAndre Bembry for the rest of the season, sources tell ESPN. The Nets waived Bembry to create roster space for the blockbuster trade with Sixers." / Twitter

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Out of curiosity. Who were the sources spreading news Dragic buyout will take "months"? Anyone remembers

(02-15-2022, 01:50 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Out of curiosity. Who were the sources spreading news Dragic buyout will take "months"? Anyone remembers

It all started with Stein saying "it may not be immediate."

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/...9679469573

(02-15-2022, 01:50 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Is this a sign Dragic is not going to Milwaukee?

(1) Adrian Wojnarowski on Twitter: "The Milwaukee Bucks are closing in on signing free agent G/F DeAndre Bembry for the rest of the season, sources tell ESPN. The Nets waived Bembry to create roster space for the blockbuster trade with Sixers." / Twitter

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Out of curiosity. Who were the sources spreading news Dragic buyout will take "months"? Anyone remembers

Can't see why the Bucks would choose Bembry over Dragic.

I seriously don't get why we'd keep Burke over Dragic. If it was up to me Burke would've been waived last night.

Also curious that the Mavs are in Miami tonight, where Dragic has been staying. Easy to just pick him up and take him back home.

(02-15-2022, 03:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Can't see why the Bucks would choose Bembry over Dragic.

Because it is not really them doing the choosing?

Clint Capela dropping truth bombs about defense. We should always keep his words in mind. "Individual" defense isn't really all that critical at the end of the day. It is always about how are FIVE guys moving and working together. 


https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...4033314819

Could anyone explain me what a buyout is in the NBA? Why does Dragic need to buy out?

(02-15-2022, 04:08 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Could anyone explain me what a buyout is in the NBA? Why does Dragic need to buy out?

Player and team sign a contract. Team is obliged to pay the contract to the player in full. Team and player can agree that team buys out (pay him and endthe contract) the player, because they have no intention to play him anyway. This gives the player the option to play for someone else. The club doesn't really lose anything, because they didn't want to play the guy anyway. This is very often with rebuilding teams, that want to try out or develop young palyers and have no need for old vets.

Player can leave some of the money to the team in the buyout deal, because it is also in his benefit to be released.

(02-15-2022, 03:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Can't see why the Bucks would choose Bembry over Dragic.

I seriously don't get why we'd keep Burke over Dragic. If it was up to me Burke would've been waived last night.

Also curious that the Mavs are in Miami tonight, where Dragic has been staying. Easy to just pick him up and take him back home.

If it was that easy...

(02-15-2022, 04:08 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]Could anyone explain me what a buyout is in the NBA? Why does Dragic need to buy out?

If you don't want to read all of this then just go to the bottom: 
When a player signs a contract with a team, they are obligated to complete it until it ends. Meaning they can't go sign with another team at any point. Not even in a different league. If a team wants off of a player while they are still signed with them, there are only very few avenues that they can go through. 

The first avenue is waiving them. That is the team basically saying "we'd rather pay you your contract and just stay home, you're no longer employed here". The player gets all of the guaranteed money that is owed to them, and they are allowed to go sign with another team after clearing waivers (a 48-hour period where another team can pickup the waived contract). For example, the Mavs waived WCS this season. Subsequently, Cuban is paying 4.1 mil to WCS, and it is included in the Mavs total team salary, despite WCS not being employed anymore.  IF the Mavs waived KP, then they'd have 31 mil cap hit this year, 33 mil cap hit the next, and a 36 mil cap hit in the last year of his contract. 

• There is another wrinkle to this avenue and that is stretch waiving a contract. Essentially it breaks down the overall dead money to a smaller amount, but over longer years. The formula is # of seasons pre-stretch left remaining x2+1. For example if the Mavs waived Trey Burke's 3 mil and stretch waived it, his 3 mil will be paid over the course of 5 years (2 years x2+1=5). If they stretch-waived him next year then it'd be paid over 3 years.  
  
  

For a team not wanting to take a cap hit, sometimes they can just tell a player to stay home and collect a check, much like Houston is doing with John Wall right now. Other times the player wants out and doesn't report, in this rare scenario the player forfeits the money for whatever length of time they don't report. Ben Simmons being the most recent example. Neither of these affect a team's cap hit, nor roster spot. Just describes certain situations where a team and player don't want each other anymore. 

Finally for a team not wanting to take a cap hit, and a player wanting to leave, there is the buyout. It is like the name implies. A team "buys-out" the remaining length of the contract, taking no hit to their cap, and the player is a free agent. This can theoretically happen between any player and team, so long as they both agree they want out. Blake Griffin notably gave up 13.3 mil of the total 75 mil he was owed to leave Detroit. Dragic in this case asked the Spurs to leave, the Spurs obliged, since there's no chance of him ever being an asset since he'll be a free agent in 4 months. 

Hope this essay gave some background and answered your question. 

Tl : DR, the Spurs and Dragic agreed to part ways. Since Dragic wanted to be a free agent, he probably gave up some money on his contract (though not required). The Spurs paid the rest in full and are able to release him without any cap hit and Dragic can now sign with whoever he wants.

(02-15-2022, 04:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]If you don't want to read all of this then just go to the bottom: 
When a player signs a contract with a team, they are obligated to complete it until it ends. Meaning they can't go sign with another team at any point. Not even in a different league. If a team wants off of a player while they are still signed with them, there are only very few avenues that they can go through. 

The first avenue is waiving them. That is the team basically saying "we'd rather pay you your contract and just stay home, you're no longer employed here". The player gets all of the guaranteed money that is owed to them, and they are allowed to go sign with another team after clearing waivers (a 48-hour period where another team can pickup the waived contract). For example, the Mavs waived WCS this season. Subsequently, Cuban is paying 4.1 mil to WCS, and it is included in the Mavs total team salary, despite WCS not being employed anymore.  IF the Mavs waived KP, then they'd have 31 mil cap hit this year, 33 mil cap hit the next, and a 36 mil cap hit in the last year of his contract. 

• There is another wrinkle to this avenue and that is stretch waiving a contract. Essentially it breaks down the overall dead money to a smaller amount, but over longer years. The formula is # of seasons pre-stretch left remaining x2+1. For example if the Mavs waived Trey Burke's 3 mil and stretch waived it, his 3 mil will be paid over the course of 5 years (2 years x2+1=5). If they stretch-waived him next year then it'd be paid over 3 years.  
  
  

For a team not wanting to take a cap hit, sometimes they can just tell a player to stay home and collect a check, much like Houston is doing with John Wall right now. Other times the player wants out and doesn't report, in this rare scenario the player forfeits the money for whatever length of time they don't report. Ben Simmons being the most recent example. Neither of these affect a team's cap hit, nor roster spot. Just describes certain situations where a team and player don't want each other anymore. 

Finally for a team not wanting to take a cap hit, and a player wanting to leave, there is the buyout. It is like the name implies. A team "buys-out" the remaining length of the contract, taking no hit to their cap, and the player is a free agent. This can theoretically happen between any player and team, so long as they both agree they want out. Blake Griffin notably gave up 13.3 mil of the total 75 mil he was owed to leave Detroit. Dragic in this case asked the Spurs to leave, the Spurs obliged, since there's no chance of him ever being an asset since he'll be a free agent in 4 months. 

Hope this essay gave some background and answered your question. 

Tl : DR, the Spurs and Dragic agreed to part ways. Since Dragic wanted to be a free agent, he probably gave up some money on his contract (though not required). The Spurs paid the rest in full and are able to release him without any cap hit and Dragic can now sign with whoever he wants.

Much of the time the “discount” a player gives is the Vet Min they are about to receive from the next team to sign them.

(02-15-2022, 04:26 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Tl : DR, the Spurs and Dragic agreed to part ways. Since Dragic wanted to be a free agent, he probably gave up some money on his contract (though not required). The Spurs paid the rest in full and are able to release him without any cap hit and Dragic can now sign with whoever he wants.

Excellent explanation and summary, except for the part I bolded (and its mention earlier).

Teams buying out a player do have a "cap hit" -- ie, the contractual amount for the year is charged to their Team Salary  for the year - which would be lessened by the amount of the salary reduction accepted by the player, if any.

So when the Spurs "bought out" Dragic, their Team Salary had a cap hit for up to $19.44M, whatever he was paid by BOTH teams in total this year. For the remainder of the season (with about 1/3 of it left), he was still due around $6.5M, and whether the Spurs paid him the full $6.5M (in installments, per the rules) or $0 was a matter of negotiation. But whatever the total number, the Spurs will have a cap hit for it.

(02-15-2022, 06:59 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent explanation and summary, except for the part I bolded (and its mention earlier).

Teams buying out a player do have a "cap hit" -- ie, the contractual amount for the year is charged to their Team Salary  for the year - which would be lessened by the amount of the salary reduction accepted by the player, if any.

So when the Spurs "bought out" Dragic, their Team Salary had a cap hit for up to $19.44M, whatever he was paid by BOTH teams in total this year. For the remainder of the season (with about 1/3 of it left), he was still due around $6.5M, and whether the Spurs paid him the full $6.5M (in installments, per the rules) or $0 was a matter of negotiation. But whatever the total number, the Spurs will have a cap hit for it.

That I didn't know. Thanks for the clarification.