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(08-05-2021, 06:08 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Come on LeBron Ben Simmons, put your Mavericks Jersey on, then it's time to get on, you got to come to Dallas.  When you leave Cleveland Philadelphia, I think they can understand it.  Just push a sign-and-KP trade, don't leave them empty handed.  You'll make more money, 'cause they have Larry Bird rights. They'll trade you to the West, so they can sleep at night.  No state income tax, so now you can relax.  Graduate from the Cuban billionaire training class.  Home of Jerry Jones and your favorite Cow Cows.  With Dirk Luka and JKidd, you can win right now now.

I like that we can keep JKidd in the lyrics now

(08-05-2021, 09:14 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I like that we can keep JKidd in the lyrics now

Actually now that Dirk works for the team we can keep him in there too.

(08-05-2021, 09:14 PM)dynamicalVoid Wrote: [ -> ]It was time a team(Embiid, Rivers) tried something unconventional to get into Simmons head.

Both were not in the position to call him out. Doc Rivers lack of X´s and O´s and terrible in game adjustments are getting exposed just as bad or even worse in the playoffs every single season.
Embiid was getting murdered by the Hawks high pick and roll when Simmons was on the bench. Not to mention that he had one of the all time worst shooting performances in NBA history in the same series. He went 0-12 in the 2nd half of game 4. Cannot remember that Simmons or any other player/coach trashed him after the game. Could also mention that he had 8 turnovers in games 6 and 7. Crucial ones in the last minutes of game 7.
Embiid is the first one to celebrate himself after a win. Also the first one to point fingers after a loss. Absolutely hate that attitude. Really happy that Luka is the complete opposite. No matter how bad his teammates played. He takes the blame. Never said anything bad about a teammate in front of the media.

Bottom line. There is plenty of blame to go around. Doc and Embiid choose the easy way out to save their own skin and threw Simmons under the bus.

(08-05-2021, 09:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I don´t want to get into the whole Simmons debate again. But can we please mention the 76ers coaching staff. Ben Simmons was taking midrange shots in highschool and college. In his pre draft workouts he had no problem with the open 3-point drills.  Markel Fultz shot 41% on 5+ attempts from 3 in college. Both shot 67% from the FT line. 76ers ruined both.
We know that Simmons is working on his jumpshot. Has been doing it for years. Can find hours of footage of him shooting in an empty gym. We know about the shooting hand debates (recently mentioned in the Redick podcast with THJ).
I do think that if he would start to take wide open shots he wouldn´t be any worse than guys like Draymond. It was mentioned that he will be working with a sports psychologist and mental coaches. Maybe that will help.

That really sounds a lot like scapegoating and that is a big stretch.  There are plenty of rookies that Doc Rivers has coached that haven't been terrible shooters or have regressed.  Landry Shamet, SGA to name a few... Brent Brown coached Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, Christian Wood, Illyasova, Saric --- all their shots aren't ruined.  Don't just point at two guys who didn't pan out shooting, and then blame Ben Simmons on the coaching staff.

Every year, we hear "Ben Simmons is working on his jumpshot" and so far, he's been able to squeeze out a few.  I don't think he is working on it a lot.  I still remember him defiantly at the platform telling people a couple of years ago that he "was going to work on his strengths" and that wasn't one of them...doing the things that he does best.  So there you go...5 years in and he's looking to leave.

I heard this year from an analyst with ties to the Sixers say "Maybe this will finally help Ben understand that he needs a jumpshot."  So I doubt Ben has been tirelessly working on his shot to the level that it takes to have one at this level.  I could be wrong, but there's a lot of smoke and I don't trust internet workout videos to tell the whole story any more than I trust highlight videos to tell me the story.

Maybe he goes elsewhere and then does better, but I'm not holding my breath.  I bet he'll go elsewhere, shoot 25% on threes on 1-2 attempts a night and next summer, we'll hear the same song and dance again "Ben's really got to develop a 3 point shot".  At this point, a midrange shot would be a start....

As I said, we are 5 years into the song and dance of Ben Simmons developing a jumpshot from somewhere, which he used to have, I agree, but I fear he's fallen too far behind, let it get into his head and he'll never have it.  I hope that I'm wrong, because he is sooooo talented in other areas, but you can't play the perimeter with no shot these days...not as a superstar, only as a role player, but he doesn't make role player money.

(08-05-2021, 09:47 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]Landry Shamet, SGA to name a few... Brent Brown coached Jerami Grant, Glenn Robinson III, Christian Wood, Illyasova, Saric --- all their shots aren't ruined.  Don't just point at two guys who didn't pan out shooting, and then blame Ben Simmons on the coaching staff.

You realize that every single guy you mentioned except for Shamet turned into a way better shooter and overall player after he left the 76ers or Clippers. Also have to point out that in most cases their 3-point volume increased after leaving the 76ers. Don´t think this is just about Brown or Rivers. More about the staff in Philly. Not sure about the Clippers.
And I am not just pointing at two random players. I am looking at two first overall picks. Fultz was a good shooter in college and after two years with the 76ers the Magic had to start from scratch. I guess injuries played a role as well but that´s not a good look for the 76ers.

I am not just trusting workout videos. Just listen to Redick´s podcast. Simmons shooting has been mentioned in more than one episode. Redick mentioned that Simmons is working on it but he supports the wrong shooting hand theory and encouraged him to change it.
Maybe this summer will tell us more. First time in his career that Simmons isn´t working with the 76ers coaches. Clutch sports hired people to work with him.

Agree that Simmons has a lot of work to do. Especially on the mental side.

(08-05-2021, 10:15 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Redick mentioned that Simmons is working on it but he supports the wrong shooting hand theory and encouraged him to change it.
Maybe this summer will tell us more. 

Thanks for pointing this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgPb7cP2mj4

(08-05-2021, 09:13 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I don´t want to get into the whole Simmons debate again.

Why not? He's awesome.

"The Kings/Hawks/Celtics deal should be done soon but SAC is working on a blockbuster deal with Toronto. They are also working on a player swap with Cleveland. 
The pieces/names being mentioned are Bagley - high-end throw end/TT - center from Toronto area/Haliburton - High-end prospect/lightly protected 1st round pick for Siakam. 
The other trade I am hearing about which will be added to this trade is a swap between Ricky Rubio and Buddy Hield (CLE/SAC). Uneventful, I know. Another team interested in Hield, the Dallas Mavs with Finney-Smith or Josh Green being the key asset going to SAC. Dallas wants shooting. A LOT of SHOOTING, especially elite shooting. Hield will be traded probably by the end of today if not this weekend within this package."


NBASupes rumor, grain of salt...sorry if this was posted already.

(08-05-2021, 11:58 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Another team interested in Hield, the Dallas Mavs with Finney-Smith or Josh Green being the key asset going to SAC. Dallas wants shooting. A LOT of SHOOTING, especially elite shooting.

Luka
THJ
RB
BH
KP


That's a LOT of shooting.

(08-06-2021, 12:01 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Luka
THJ
RB
BH
KP


That's a LOT of shooting.

We were doing so well with defensive philosophy...

(08-06-2021, 12:01 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Luka
THJ
RB
BH
KP


That's a LOT of shooting.

With only one guy who can create. Maybe he heard it wrong and held us going to Toronto with Dragic coming here.

(08-05-2021, 11:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Why not? He's awesome.

Awesome against AAU level competition where you can rely on your innate athleticism and never have to shoot, yes.


Against actual NBA players in the most competitive environment there is, he's JRich-level team-killing garbage.

(08-05-2021, 11:58 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]"The Kings/Hawks/Celtics deal should be done soon but SAC is working on a blockbuster deal with Toronto. They are also working on a player swap with Cleveland. 
The pieces/names being mentioned are Bagley - high-end throw end/TT - center from Toronto area/Haliburton - High-end prospect/lightly protected 1st round pick for Siakam. 
The other trade I am hearing about which will be added to this trade is a swap between Ricky Rubio and Buddy Hield (CLE/SAC). Uneventful, I know. Another team interested in Hield, the Dallas Mavs with Finney-Smith or Josh Green being the key asset going to SAC. Dallas wants shooting. A LOT of SHOOTING, especially elite shooting. Hield will be traded probably by the end of today if not this weekend within this package."


NBASupes rumor, grain of salt...sorry if this was posted already.

Just taking this as a conversation starter, I find it highly unlikely the Mavs would trade DFS (their best defender) for Buddy Hield.

I can definitely see them trading Kleber away though in that deal, and given that SAC has big man issues themselves it kinda makes sense too.

(08-06-2021, 12:05 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome against AAU level competition where you can rely on your innate athleticism and never have to shoot, yes.

Nah, Simmons' basketball IQ is so sky high that he can stand in one spot and win NBA games via telekinesis. He has evolved beyond "athleticism."

(08-06-2021, 12:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, Simmons' basketball IQ is so sky high that he can stand in one spot and win NBA games via telekinesis. He has evolved beyond "athleticism."

He's the Chuck Norris of basketball?

(08-06-2021, 12:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, Simmons' basketball IQ is so sky high that he can stand in one spot and win NBA games via telekinesis. He has evolved beyond "athleticism."

Hi Ben. Shouldn't you be working on your jumper right now?

(08-06-2021, 12:02 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]We were doing so well with defensive philosophy...

The best defense is a Buddy Love offense.

(08-05-2021, 09:32 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Both were not in the position to call him out. Doc Rivers lack of X´s and O´s and terrible in game adjustments are getting exposed just as bad or even worse in the playoffs every single season.
Embiid was getting murdered by the Hawks high pick and roll when Simmons was on the bench. Not to mention that he had one of the all time worst shooting performances in NBA history in the same series. He went 0-12 in the 2nd half of game 4. Cannot remember that Simmons or any other player/coach trashed him after the game. Could also mention that he had 8 turnovers in games 6 and 7. Crucial ones in the last minutes of game 7.
Embiid is the first one to celebrate himself after a win. Also the first one to point fingers after a loss. Absolutely hate that attitude. Really happy that Luka is the complete opposite. No matter how bad his teammates played. He takes the blame. Never said anything bad about a teammate in front of the media.

Bottom line. There is plenty of blame to go around. Doc and Embiid choose the easy way out to save their own skin and threw Simmons under the bus.

Main problem I see with the above is...x's and o's and in game adjustments or defending the pick and roll are far more complicated than shooting a basketball.

Literally deferring on a uncontested dunk in a playoff basketball game...to pass to a teammate for a less efficient shot that missed.  That is only one play...but is Ben's problem in a nutshell.

He has been encouraged to add the shooting element to his game for years and refuses.   You can be passive and trade him or you can try and get into his head by doing something unconventional.  Regardless...Philly is doing Ben's future team a favor by lighting a fire under his butt.  Unfortunately for Philly Ben wants to bolt now.

Other end of this argument is if Ben is playing 4D chess and not shooting  so to piss off Philly so he is traded.

There is something wrong mentally when a key component refuses to take a shot in the 4th. That is mind boggling. Compound that with his  FT struggles which also plays into his offensive hesitance. 

Having said all that if the main component to get him is KP, I would still do that in a heartbeat. I doubt Philly would.