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I'd take Mitchell over Gobert!!!!!

(04-19-2022, 12:31 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]So I try to engage about Smart, and now we're making this Smart vs. DFS? I'm not sure I see how we got there, other that just a desire on your part to be a curmudgeon about literally any topic. 

I suspect that what's "fun" about this place for you doesn't align very well with what's fun for me. Conversations like this one (especially knowing where it's going if it continues) are the reason I haven't been around much, lately.

I’m sorry for being the rain on your parade. My attempts to bring this back to a Mavs viewpoint is to show that this team isn’t where some think it is. If it’s not there, then changes need to be made. All these back and forths seem to bolster the thought that change doesn’t need to happen. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought there was a time in the Smart to Mavs discussion that I suggested I would reluctantly trade DFS for Smart to which that thought was met with absurdity posts. That’s where the DFS comment came from.


I’ve always fought against the snowball effect that this board had quite a bit when I first started posting. Either that or not looking at things with Mavs blinders on. That’s how I myself have found to keep things in the middle. Yes, that makes me a curmudgeon/debbie downer most of the time.

(04-19-2022, 12:57 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I'd take Mitchell over Gobert!!!!!

I like Gobert but I want no part of his contract.  It feels like he went to the school of Brendan Haywood for catching passes.  Give me 60% of what Gobert is for 1/4th of the contract price instead.

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(04-19-2022, 12:52 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]That....and DFS is just really awesome at clamping down the stretch of games.

All respect to God King but I think Mtichell's had a lot of 4th quarter woes this year.

(04-19-2022, 12:57 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I'd take Mitchell over Gobert!!!!!

(04-19-2022, 12:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’m sorry for being the rain on your parade. My attempts to bring this back to a Mavs viewpoint is to show that this team isn’t where some think it is. If it’s not there, then changes need to be made. All these back and forths seem to bolster the thought that change doesn’t need to happen. I may be remembering incorrectly, but I thought there was a time in the Smart to Mavs discussion that I suggested I would reluctantly trade DFS for Smart to which that thought was met with absurdity posts. That’s where the DFS comment came from.


I’ve always fought against the snowball effect that this board had quite a bit when I first started posting. Either that or not looking at things with Mavs blinders on. That’s how I myself have found to keep things in the middle. Yes, that makes me a curmudgeon/debbie downer most of the time.

Truth.  If we, the fans, can just agree together that changes need to be made, we could gather together and storm the Mavs offices, hold management hostage, and force them to draft/trade/assemble the team we all really want.

Then, we'd win a championship or three.

(04-19-2022, 12:57 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I'd take Mitchell over Gobert!!!!!

And it’s not close IMO

(04-19-2022, 01:18 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Truth.  If we, the fans, can just agree together that changes need to be made, we could gather together and storm the Mavs offices, hold management hostage, and force them to draft/trade/assemble the team we all really want.

Then, we'd win a championship or three.

I guess we should just stick our head in the sand and give them the attaboy they deserve!

(04-19-2022, 12:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]My attempts to bring this back to a Mavs viewpoint is to show that this team isn’t where some think it is.

The biggest disappointment of the Luka injury was I was really hoping that we'd be able to show that this team is actually not where YOU (and some others) think it is.  This team was on a 60 win pace in 2022 and while I agree that we're still a step away from being a championship team, you would think that we're a lottery team based on some of the posters here.  This team just beat a team with two all stars and what most feel is a superior supporting cast around those all stars on the biggest stage without our 200 million dollar generational talent and the "this team needs more talent" crew doesn't seem to blink an eye.  What's even crazier is that we had a real shot at being up 2-0 even.

Disagreements are good though and while I disagree with your current outlook on this roster I do appreciate the fact that you are able to communicate those thoughts here.  This place would be boring if it were an echo chamber (actually kind of surprised that you said you feel that way with your snowball comment, feels like there's only a handful of things I see this board unanimously agree on).

(04-19-2022, 12:58 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve always fought against the snowball effect that this board had quite a bit when I first started posting.

OK, so this is fascinating to me. It's a study in perspective, I'm sure. Does it really feel like that generally, over our time talking basketball, that the snow ball has rolled in the hopeful direction? 

I'd have said the opposite!!!

I readily admit that I skew more hopeful than the average human, though. So I'm sure that greatly impacts my perspective. 

Here's another way I think a bit differently from what you're presenting. I don't think hopeful takes about our current crew means that change isn't needed. I think I can be hopeful about our current crop, celebrate the greatness of Dorian Finney-Smith AND still believe that the roster isn't a finished product.

(04-19-2022, 01:16 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]

I do dare!! 

Insist even!! 

Don't you think that Mr. 40 mil/yr would get Klebered in the playoffs if he was on a non-Jazz team, just like he does with the Jazz?

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(04-19-2022, 01:18 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Truth.  If we, the fans, can just agree together that changes need to be made, we could gather together and storm the Mavs offices, hold management hostage, and force them to draft/trade/assemble the team we all really want.

Then, we'd win a championship or three.

(04-19-2022, 01:21 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I guess we should just stick our head in the sand and give them the attaboy they deserve!

Can we try to figure out a 3rd option?

(04-19-2022, 12:10 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Right. I read dozens of opinions just like that after the announcement. Seems like the national-level group think was pretty shocked he won the award.

As the biggest Smart fan on this board. Smart deserves all the credit in the world because he is the best defender at his position but Adebayo, Giannis or Gobert have more impact on defense. Even his Draymond like intangibles and on court coaching ability aren´t enough to overcome the impact gap between elite guards and bigs. Just going with the most impactful defender in the league guards wouldn´t even make the top 3.

(04-19-2022, 01:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]and while I agree that we're still a step away from being a championship team

What is the cost in your mind of that step? I mean, our assets aren't very desirable around the league, how do we take that step in a reasonable timeframe? Who is (currently) 30 yo Powell in 2 years? Maxi? Bullock? What's that the timeline like? 

(04-19-2022, 01:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]This team just beat a team with two all stars and what most feel is a superior supporting cast around those all stars on the biggest stage without our 200 million dollar generational talent and the "this team needs more talent" crew doesn't seem to blink an eye.

Yep, it was a great performance for sure! Is it repeatable? I myself said at the beginning of the series that we would possibly eek out 1 win. If they get another with this group, I'll be surprised. 

I also don't think Utah's supporting cast is all that superior. I think on paper they are better, but also at the beginning of the series, I said I thought with Luka, HCA was the difference in this series, which we have. The playoffs so far is showing that they aren't coming together as a team. That doesn't mean it won't happen, and Utah is a hard city to win in. 

We'll see, because I think it would be a bad decision to play Luka at all this series (not a medical professional). The team made the decision that playing Luka on the last day of the season and trying to keep 3rd seed placement alive was more important than playing him in the playoffs even more rested. I wonder if Kidd will ever make that decision the same again.

(04-19-2022, 01:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ](actually kind of surprised that you said you feel that way with your snowball comment, feels like there's only a handful of things I see this board unanimously agree on)

I haven't made a snowball explanation post in a while, so let me explain. To me, the snowball is a poster saying something either overly positive or overly negative and it going unchecked. The conversation continues and there is nothing left for the next poster to bring to the conversation if they don't up the ante and say something even more positive or negative, and so on, and so on until the conversation is just not very readable or smart.

I myself don't need to really stop the negativity posts getting out of hand, plenty of posters here do that just fine (although I have stepped in from time to time on that front too). It's the positivity train that when it gets going...look out. It goes hand in hand with taking the Mavs blinders off and seeing more than what's in front of us.

I'm sure I've gone overboard in my defense of trying to keep things in the middle. I get carried away too. I am sorry if that ruffles feathers, I just don't know another way to do what seems sane to me.

(04-19-2022, 01:59 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]still believe that the roster isn't a finished product.

Like I said to SoB, what is that finished product and how do we get there? That's the bottom line I'm trying to get to. The difference I feel is being presented is that we can't get guys that do what our guys are currently doing and add to it, or get guys that change the way we are doing things in a better way.

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(04-19-2022, 01:32 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]This team just beat a team with two all stars and what most feel is a superior supporting cast around those all stars on the biggest stage without our 200 million dollar generational talent and the "this team needs more talent" crew doesn't seem to blink an eye.

If I didn't voice my thoughts after that win, how many posts would there be that say "Where are you now"? I know you've seen those as much as I have.

(04-19-2022, 02:19 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Like I said to SoB, what is that finished product and how do we get there? That's the bottom line I'm trying to get to. The difference I feel is being presented is that we can't get guys that do what our guys are currently doing and add to it, or get guys that change the way we are doing things in a better way.

But not all conversations have to end with roster building talk, right?

(04-19-2022, 02:26 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]But not all conversations have to end with roster building talk, right?

Isn't saying "not a finished product" starting a roster building conversation? I mean, you're right, they don't all have to turn into roster building talk, many of them do however.

At least we have our franchise cornerstone to build around.  God King.

(04-19-2022, 02:05 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Truth.  If we, the fans, can just agree together that changes need to be made, we could gather together and storm the Mavs offices, hold management hostage, and force them to draft/trade/assemble the team we all really want.

Then, we'd win a championship or three.

Quote:I guess we should just stick our head in the sand and give them the attaboy they deserve!

Can we try to figure out a 3rd option?

Lookie there, bringing things back to the middle!

(04-19-2022, 02:48 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Lookie there, bringing things back to the middle!

Well, maybe. But if I were better maybe I could bring things to a hire plane rather than just to the middle. :-)

Get a grip. There's always a lot of whining and moaning, without giving due credit to the FACT that this roster AS IS finished as the 5th best team in the NBA this year, and basically as good as any team not named Phoenix. If your attitude is that this is sucky, you don't understand sports.

In addition, players like Brunson, DFS, and others should be ample demonstration of the fact that roster improvement doesn't have to happen by pursuing some idealized player who is on the other side of the fence, and that sometimes you don't really know what you need OR what you don't.

(04-19-2022, 11:27 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]

It's all good. I know he's your boy.  I like DoDo. He locked up Mitchell when he had to at the end of the game. I just think he has to go to another level before he'll get really noticed.