(02-12-2022, 08:36 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I know I was on an island, but I really wanted Harrell at the trade deadline.
Houston traded Theiss to Boston for free. Unless someone thinks Bruno Fernando is an asset.
Would have been perfect third big and fits in our TPE.
(02-12-2022, 09:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Houston traded Theiss to Boston for free. Unless someone thinks Bruno Fernando is an asset.
Would have been perfect third big and fits in our TPE.
Yeah, that would've been nice, for sure. My sense is that he hasn't had a very good year, but it's tough to tell when the backdrop is Houston. I think he'd have probably been a pretty good backup for Powell (that you could play or not, depending on the matchup) as well as an insurance policy in case Powell gets hurt.
I think we're all scratching our heads a bit at the current 5 situation. I think Powell is going to play well, but they must
really think centers are overrated at Mavs HQ right now with how thin they are there.
(02-12-2022, 09:11 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Houston traded Theiss to Boston for free. Unless someone thinks Bruno Fernando is an asset.
Would have been perfect third big and fits in our TPE.
The only thing I can think of is he has a tough contract, relatively speaking. Two years left plus a team option. I think you will be able to find better players at a better contract this offseason. I think you are going to have trouble getting off that contract. At least that is probably the thinking.
I keep going back to Washington, I just don't know when making that trade you ask for whatever center they don't want and take him into your TPE. Put that as a condition of the trade. Even if the fit is not great. They are free agents at the end of the year, so it is not a long term commitment either.
(02-12-2022, 09:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, that would've been nice, for sure. My sense is that he hasn't had a very good year, but it's tough to tell when the backdrop is Houston. I think he'd have probably been a pretty good backup for Powell (that you could play or not, depending on the matchup) as well as an insurance policy in case Powell gets hurt.
I think we're all scratching our heads a bit at the current 5 situation. I think Powell is going to play well, but they must really think centers are overrated at Mavs HQ right now with how thin they are there.
It depends on the matchups with Powell. He has trouble guarding bigs with size and strength like Embiid, Gobert, or Joker. He has a speed advantage though for lobs and rim-runs. But he gets punished in the post.
(02-12-2022, 10:24 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on the matchups with Powell. He has trouble guarding bigs with size and strength like Embiid, Gobert, or Joker.
Embiid and Joker are kryptonite for this team as currently constructed, FOR SURE.
I could make an argument that Powell is a better choice than Porzingis against Utah/Gobert, however, with as much spread pnr they run. Gobert will kill him on the glass for sure, but I'm not sure it's any worse than it would've been with KP in there, and their ability to switch with Powell probably helps prevent a lot of open shots in Utah's system. It's not like Gobert can post up Luka, DFS, whomever.
(02-12-2022, 09:37 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]The only thing I can think of is he has a tough contract, relatively speaking. Two years left plus a team option.
Yikes, good point.
(02-12-2022, 10:28 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Embiid and Joker are kryptonite for this team as currently constructed, FOR SURE.
I could make an argument that Powell is a better choice than Porzingis against Utah/Gobert, however, with as much spread pnr they run. Gobert will kill him on the glass for sure, but I'm not sure it's any worse than it would've been with KP in there, and their ability to switch with Powell probably helps prevent a lot of open shots in Utah's system. It's not like Gobert can post up Luka, DFS, whomever.
I think our help defense would have to step up massively, since we're double/triple teaming those guys most possesions.
(02-12-2022, 10:24 AM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]It depends on the matchups with Powell. He has trouble guarding bigs with size and strength like Embiid, Gobert, or Joker. He has a speed advantage though for lobs and rim-runs. But he gets punished in the post.
I mean...Embiid and Jokic are terrible matchups for all teams. Doesn´t matter how big or strong the front court is. Replace Powell with a big like Drummond/Howard and they just step out of the paint and score from the perimeter or attack of the dribble.
Mavs recently beat both without KP. Embiid was 7/17 from the field and a team worst -17 in 33 minutes. Jokic did more damage but Powell and Kleber nearly matched his 27pts (combined for 25).
I don't know many of these names, so no idea how legit these opinions are, but it seems to be slanted more negatively towards WAS because of acquiring Porznings, tbh. One person hates the trade for both sides so much that they "cancel each other out." A few don't even mention this deal. It's an interesting read, at least.
https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/r...ine-losers
(02-12-2022, 10:40 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I mean...Embiid and Jokic are terrible matchups for all teams. Doesn´t matter how big or strong the front court is. Replace Powell with a big like Drummond/Howard and they just step out of the paint and score from the perimeter or attack of the dribble.
Mavs recently beat both without KP. Embiid was 7/17 from the field and a team worst -17 in 33 minutes. Jokic did more damage but Powell and Kleber nearly matched his 27pts (combined for 25).
Although I agree with you, the Clippers had no fear attacking us inside in the second half last game.
I have a hard time believing that the Mavs truly feel good about our big man rotation because honestly we look a like like the small ball Houston Rockets right now and we are not set on the frontcourt to make a deep playoff run.
I am going to assume that they believe that as well because in the playoffs the physicality steps up and we are already down one big with Chriss having a knee injury right now.
I truly hope that Mavs are not this arrogant and incompetent to stay as is.
(02-12-2022, 11:09 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]Although I agree with you, the Clippers had no fear attacking us inside in the second half last game.
I have a hard time believing that the Mavs truly feel good about our big man rotation because honestly we look a like like the small ball Houston Rockets right now and we are not set on the frontcourt to make a deep playoff run.
I am going to assume that they believe that as well because in the playoffs the physicality steps up and we are already down one big with Chriss having a knee injury right now.
I truly hope that Mavs are not this arrogant and incompetent to stay as is.
I agree. The Mavs definitely need to upgrade the front court. Not sure if I would prefer a traditional center or a big forward. I don´t think that will happen on the buyout market and I don´t think the Mavs expect to contend for a championship this season.
Next summer offers multiple options. Mavs could trade for a big (use THJ´s, SD´s, Bertan´s contact to match salary) or take a look at the draft. This years class is front court heavy and most teams aren´t looking for starting centers.
(02-12-2022, 11:16 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree. The Mavs definitely need to upgrade the front court. Not sure if I would prefer a traditional center or a big forward. I don´t think that will happen on the buyout market and I don´t think the Mavs expect to contend for a championship this season.
Next summer offers multiple options. Mavs could trade for a big (use THJ´s, SD´s, Bertan´s contact to match salary) or take a look at the draft. This years class is front court heavy and most teams aren´t looking for starting centers.
If this is the case then my confidence in the front office just dropped by a lot. We are a the 5th seed within arms reach of the 3rd seed so we are closer this year then we were last year.
If a guy like Nurkic is bought out we can be a legit contender heck I would add a few guys to that list like Lopez, etc.
I truly hope you are wrong because the Mavs should consider themselves as having just as good of a chance to go deep as anyone else.
(02-12-2022, 11:25 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]If this is the case then my confidence in the front office just dropped by a lot. We are a the 5th seed within arms reach of the 3rd seed so we are closer this year then we were last year.
If a guy like Nurkic is bought out we can be a legit contender heck I would add a few guys to that list like Lopez, etc.
I truly hope you are wrong because the Mavs should consider themselves as having just as good of a chance to go deep as anyone else.
I don´t think a player like Nurkic will end up on the buyout market but I could be wrong. I guess Robin Lopez is a candidate. Maybe Tristan Thompson or Derrick Favors.
(02-12-2022, 11:33 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]I guess Robin Lopez is a candidate. Maybe Tristan Thompson or Derrick Favors.
I think this would only make sense if Chriss has a serious injury. In that case I would perhaps dump him and look for replacement. Otherwise not.
(02-12-2022, 11:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think this would only make sense if Chriss has a serious injury. In that case I would perhaps dump him and look for replacement. Otherwise not.
I'd grab insurance either way. Chriss is playing bad (look at his offensive touches the previous game) and is a foul machine.
(02-12-2022, 11:51 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'd grab insurance either way. Chriss is playing bad (look at his offensive touches the previous game) and is a foul machine.
I'm having trouble understanding exactly where you are in all of this. To me, the sentiment above (with which I agree) is a "win now" kind of thought. But, I know that you feel strongly that the team should not be thinking that way (or at least I think I know that - maybe that's what I'm getting wrong about your takes).
If you don't think they're a "win now" team, is there not a little value in exposing Chriss to important minutes (and Green, for that matter) for learning purposes?
Or, is your thinking that Chriss will never be good enough, so thinking like that in his case is a waste of time?
I can respect any/all of that, I just want to make sure I understand.
Did the Celtics "win" the trade deadline. Already the hottest team in the league prior to it. 9-1 over the last ten games.
https://twitter.com/HoopsEmpire_/status/...8981464069
And now they added White and Theis.
Defense has already been the best in the league since christmas. Would argue that with the addition of White they have five guys that are legit all defense team candidates.
https://twitter.com/HoopsEmpire_/status/...7790785543
For the first time in my life I am happy that the Mavs are in the west. South west used to be the best division in the league. Now it is the Atlantic.
(02-12-2022, 06:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm having trouble understanding exactly where you are in all of this. To me, the sentiment above (with which I agree) is a "win now" kind of thought. But, I know that you feel strongly that the team should not be thinking that way (or at least I think I know that - maybe that's what I'm getting wrong about your takes).
If you don't think they're a "win now" team, is there not a little value in exposing Chriss to important minutes (and Green, for that matter) for learning purposes?
Or, is your thinking that Chriss will never be good enough, so thinking like that in his case is a waste of time?
I can respect any/all of that, I just want to make sure I understand.
Chriss isn't the answer. He is the current default. I wouldn't be concerned about his experience, but in finding his replacement.
That said, having a young backup with potential is better than an old backup on the way out - all other things equal. At least where the Mavs are on the competitive curve, currently.
(02-12-2022, 06:37 PM)Mavsfan12 Wrote: [ -> ]Chriss isn't the answer.
Well, I suppose that depends on the question.
I see him as a pretty interesting prospect who can become very useful as a hybrid 4/5, especially considering the shooting ability he has flashed at times this season. He's clearly athletic and physical enough to be useful as a switchable, small ball 5 if his basketball IQ and competitive drive are good/consistent enough. I don't think he'll ever be a good starter, but I can see him being developed to a point in the future where you feel good about him being the first big off of the bench.
Kind of a slightly different Kleber kind of thing. I don't know if he'll be as good as Kleber, obviously, and I definitely don't think he's ready now to succeed in the playoffs.
You disagree?
(02-12-2022, 11:51 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]foul machine
Chriss has been trending down since he was signed. He may be playing injured as well and can't move his body into the correct position to defend. I hope he gets it turned around.