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(04-19-2022, 02:53 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]It's all good. I know he's your boy.  I like DoDo. He locked up Mitchell when he had to at the end of the game. I just think he has to go to another level before he'll get really noticed.

We just need JVG to do every Mavs broadcast.  He's the only dude on the planet that loves DFS as much as me.

(04-19-2022, 02:52 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]In addition, players like Brunson, DFS, and others should be ample demonstration...

And Powell? 

FWIW, I thought it was pretty cool that you've given DP props this year. Amiright in thinking that you've been pretty down on him in the past? 

Maybe Josh Green can take a good sized 2nd year to 3rd year leap.

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(04-19-2022, 02:54 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]He's the only dude on the planet that loves DFS as much as me.

 

Why do us Dorianites have to fight over who loves him the most? There's enough of him for all us!!!

(04-19-2022, 02:52 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Get a grip. There's always a lot of whining and moaning, without giving due credit to the FACT that this roster AS IS finished as the 5th best team in the NBA this year, and basically as good as any team not named Phoenix.

Going on the offensive I see. 

Yes, this team finished 5th in the NBA which means all we have to do is bide our time and they're for sure going to be a championship contender. I don't believe that. I think the team is overproducing in a time where there were soooooo many stars out for such a long period of time. If you think different, that's fine, but I don't think I need to get any better grip than you do. You see what GSW is doing to the Nuggets right? Not so sure the Suns are the sole owner of the top spot on the totem pole. Time will tell though.

(04-19-2022, 02:52 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]In addition, players like Brunson, DFS, and others should be ample demonstration of the fact that roster improvement doesn't have to happen by pursuing some idealized player who is on the other side of the fence, and that sometimes you don't really know what you need OR what you don't.

I would have pulled the trigger on Brunson and DFS and anyone not named Luka for an upgrade at any one position. Those idealized players are winning Defensive Player of the Year BTW, but I "don't understand sports".

(04-19-2022, 03:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I would have pulled the trigger on ... DFS...

(04-19-2022, 03:05 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I would have pulled the trigger on Brunson and DFS...

And you would have gone to jail, my friend! We need an intervention. IGT is talking about shooting people.

(04-19-2022, 03:18 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]And you would have gone to jail, my friend! We need an intervention. IGT is talking about shooting people.

He better shoot me next time he tries to trade our best player.  Burgers for everyone!

(04-19-2022, 03:19 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]He better shoot me next time he tries to trade our best player.  Burgers for everyone!

Can I have the fajitas?

(04-19-2022, 03:18 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]And you would have gone to jail, my friend! We need an intervention. IGT is talking about shooting people.

Putting my lipstick on as we speak!

https://c.tenor.com/P2unI0_hVN0AAAAd/bil...o-kill.gif

Oh, I get it, IGT. You thought @"F Gump" 's  "get a grip" meant unholster your weapon

(04-19-2022, 02:57 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Dorianites

I thought they were smote in the Old Testament.

(04-19-2022, 03:45 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]I thought they were smote in the Old Testament.

Pretty sure Moses brought out some stones from a mountain that has something to say about these types!

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The holiness bovine has something to say about it!

(04-19-2022, 12:48 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don't hate him at all, and yes, the Mavs should've drafted him. 

I DO think (only my opinion) that he gets a little more respect as a superstar than he deserves. He's a nice player, but routinely gets called a superstar. I'm not sure he's there, personally.

This is exactly where I am with him as well. He's running out of "potential" room too at this point.

(04-19-2022, 03:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]The holiness bovine has something to say about it!

(04-19-2022, 02:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, our assets aren't very desirable around the league, how do we take that step in a reasonable timeframe?

I've been very much on the side of the fence that this won't really change until after next year's draft but I also feel that's a reasonable timeframe if you assume that Luka/DFS/Brunson are all tied up far beyond that and you're simply just throwing a ton of picks at a team with a disgruntled star.  There may be a lateral move in there this offseason that addresses some of the frontcourt needs but I also don't think that having to wait until Luka is a whopping 25 years old to have a true contender around him should not be painted as a failure.  There are past mistakes but that can change under a new group.

(04-19-2022, 02:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]We'll see, because I think it would be a bad decision to play Luka at all this series (not a medical professional). The team made the decision that playing Luka on the last day of the season and trying to keep 3rd seed placement alive was more important than playing him in the playoffs even more rested. I wonder if Kidd will ever make that decision the same again.

If Luka plays (which is looking likely now!) then Casey Smith ok'd it and he's the best in the business so I'll will trust that decision.  I wonder the same thing about Kidd.

(04-19-2022, 02:12 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]It's the positivity train that when it gets going...look out. It goes hand in hand with taking the Mavs blinders off and seeing more than what's in front of us.

I don't think that anyone here though has said anything more than "this team needs at least one more upgrade to contend" though so I'm still unsure where that is coming from.  I'm just as annoyed with some of the roster construction and the fact that we have three vets on the roster that are unplayable and 2 20 mil guys that don't contribute much (not necessarily Hardaway's fault at the moment but still).  The things that are bad about this team I think are addressable over Luka's new contract, I think my frustration is that some folks here think that guys like Brunson and DFS aren't championship level players despite playing that way for nearly a full year.

(04-19-2022, 02:19 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]If I didn't voice my thoughts after that win, how many posts would there be that say "Where are you now"? I know you've seen those as much as I have.

Hey I got no problem with you sticking to your guns, like I said it's totally ok to disagree.

(04-19-2022, 03:55 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]There may be a lateral move in there this offseason that addresses some of the frontcourt needs but I also don't think that having to wait until Luka is a whopping 25 years old to have a true contender around him should not be painted as a failure.  There are past mistakes but that can change under a new group.

As far as waiting/treading water with this group, that's when the search begins to make this a contender, not necessarily when it is one. Like I said, what does Powell, Maxi and Bullock look like in 2-3 years? If our intention is to be a contender when Luka is 25, the changes need to take place sooner rather than later. If we have guys that aren't going to be there when we get to that point, why not turn them over for players that possibly could? That's the search for better talent I think is smart, because you guys are right, not all things we do will hit, just like KP. Better to weed through those players now than when we're trying to really make some noise and go into the playoffs with the #1 seed.

(04-19-2022, 04:25 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]As far as waiting/treading water with this group, that's when the search begins to make this a contender, not necessarily when it is one. Like I said, what does Powell, Maxi and Bullock look like in 2-3 years? If our intention is to be a contender when Luka is 25, the changes need to take place sooner rather than later. If we have guys that aren't going to be there when we get to that point, why not turn them over for players that possibly could? That's the search for better talent I think is smart, because you guys are right, not all things we do will hit, just like KP. Better to weed through those players now than when we're trying to really make some noise and go into the playoffs with the #1 seed.

This group certainly hasn't treaded water since Luka was drafted, they've clearly grown together.  What I also suggested was waiting until we have draft assets to move so that we don't have to break this group up, we can add to it.

(04-19-2022, 12:44 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I understand the origins of the Mitchell hate.  There aren't a ton of guys that want to play in Utah.  Imagine if we'd drafted him over DSJ.

And imagine the angst when Mitchell would have been part of the KP trade

(04-19-2022, 04:29 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]This group certainly hasn't treaded water since Luka was drafted, they've clearly grown together.

So treading water was used in terms of keeping this band together, not in terms of staying afloat in the NBA sense. Treading water in the sense of staying middle to lower end of the playoff pack (lots of teams look like, if healthy next year, could surpass us or be in the mix, some esp could with a good offseason move or two).

(04-19-2022, 04:36 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Treading water in the sense of staying middle to lower end of the playoff pack

but they haven't stayed in the middle/lower end of the playoff pack

(04-19-2022, 04:29 PM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]This group certainly hasn't treaded water since Luka was drafted, they've clearly grown together.  What I also suggested was waiting until we have draft assets to move so that we don't have to break this group up, we can add to it.

I would add that this is the first year of the JK regime, with half of that time trying to shore up KP enough to decide if there was enough fit to save or otherwise get something of value for him.

Since then, I think we can all agree that the team has grown closer, they play better, they seem to be supporting each other and the success is demonstrable. This is culture development, and we are getting to watch it develop right in front of us. If developed properly, this will be significant for incorporating future personnel moves as now the environment will support and develop players who buy in and squeeze out those who don't.

This is definitely Luka's team, but Kidd is proving that they can still be competitive even when Luka's on the shelf. I'm hoping to mimic SAS, not because I'm a fan (although RESPECT for Pops) but because you better bring your "A" game or you'll go home a loser.