(10-23-2022, 05:33 PM)RoyTarpleysGhost Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t think Doc survives a 5-15 type start. They have Dave Joerger on the bench.
That's my point though. You can tinker with that 76ers team. There is no hope in LA.
What are the chances that LA trades Lebron this summer?
It’s their best move. I doubt Jeanie forgot about Lebron demanding a trade. And they can’t afford to lose him for nothing
Not only that, but if they’re bad enough this season they could literally get the top pick and Wembamyama goes to new orleans. They need a panic trade that saves face a bit on this season. WB for THJ/Bertans/Powell no picks? They are so screwed
DSJ with a nice game for the Hornets.
(10-23-2022, 07:32 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]What are the chances that LA trades Lebron this summer?
It’s their best move. I doubt Jeanie forgot about Lebron demanding a trade. And they can’t afford to lose him for nothing
Not only that, but if they’re bad enough this season they could literally get the top pick and Wembamyama goes to new orleans. They need a panic trade that saves face a bit on this season. WB for THJ/Bertans/Powell no picks? They are so screwed
LA could use the shooting that's for sure and THJ is similar to Buddy Love who they've be linked to.
Would put you the Mavs at just over $97m committed next season. Projected cap is $134m. Not the greatest free agency class. @"F Gump" could tell you the mechanisms of using the cap space in conjunction with resigning Wood (assuming no extension) with bird rights.
Make them throw in Scottie Pippen Jr. in the trade. Pickup Kemba with the open roster spot who can approximate what you lost in THJ with the exception of workload.
I don't think LA does it though. They could start the season 0-7. They'd be better off a sellers than buyers.
(10-23-2022, 08:22 PM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]Pelicans make their comeback. Their announcers are pure homers. Some of the league announcing is so awful.
All announcers are homers to some degree. If they weren't, they wouldn't have a job. But I get it. Some are worse than others.
^Clean block by JC (still want him on the Mavs).
Sux for Zion and the Pels. How long will he be out this time? A week? Two weeks?
I was already looking forward to how Wood plays as a single big against the bruising frontcourt of Zion and Valaciunas.
Without Zion though, I'm expecting another 20-point, 10-rebound outing from Wood.
(10-23-2022, 10:33 PM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]^Clean block by JC (still want him on the Mavs).
Sux for Zion and the Pels. How long will he be out this time? A week? Two weeks?
I was already looking forward to how Wood plays as a single big against the bruising frontcourt of Zion and Valaciunas.
Without Zion though, I'm expecting another 20-point, 10-rebound outing from Wood.
Brandon Ingram may also miss Tuesday's game with a concussion.
(10-23-2022, 07:55 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]"WB for THJ/Bertans/Powell no picks?"
LA could use the shooting that's for sure and THJ is similar to Buddy Love who they've be linked to.
Would put you the Mavs at just over $97m committed next season. Projected cap is $134m. Not the greatest free agency class. @"F Gump" could tell you the mechanisms of using the cap space in conjunction with resigning Wood (assuming no extension) with bird rights. .
Those aren't the numbers ... and the real numbers don't leave you with any cap room.
That's assuming you intend to keep Wood, so he's either already extended (presumably 15-17M) or you have Bird Rights until you sign him (which will cost you even more).
The current cap total they would have in 2023 after such a trade, assuming Wood is not extended and using the $21.5M cap hit for his Bird Rights, would be $133M. His actual salary, higher or lower, would be used once he signed.
The benefit would be to move off of THJ and Bertans contracts and save Cuban some money, but otherwise, nothing else would really be gained. But if THJ and Bertans don't offer any value, that savings would get more and more tempting for Cuban as the season goes along, I would think.
... However, from a LA angle, a THJ-Bertans package could be huge. Their weakness is an enormous lack of shooting ability, and THJ-Bertans would seem to be just what the doctor ordered. Powell's energy would also help them, I think. Since the Mavs aren't in the biz of trying to rescue LA from the dumpster, it seems to me like the Mavs should be able to extract more than the carcass of RW in return, so that it can end up as a win-win.
While we're at it, we can see the math on doing that sort of package (THJ/Bertans/Powell) for Hayward-Rozier instead (should something like that be available). Instead of RW's $0M next year, they'd have almost $55M of cap payroll for the duo, landing them close to $190M in total payroll for all 14-15 players, and buried DEEP in tax (tax bill would be around $75M). So that looks like a non-starter of an idea when weighed from that angle.
BTW, the Mavs cap math when re-signing Wood desperately needs for either THJ or DB to be gone next season - and it's such a significant burden to carry that much bad salary, that if they still had both, they might need to consider the dreaded stretch-waive on one of them.
That's not desirable at all, since it eats into your cap year after year going forward, so I suspect they are really hoping they can build enough value to get off of one contract or the other this season. It's early, but what they have gotten so far is not helpful.
(10-24-2022, 02:13 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Instead of RW's $0M next year, they'd have almost $55M of cap payroll for the duo, landing them close to $190M in total payroll for all 14-15 players, and buried DEEP in tax (tax bill would be around $75M). So that looks like a non-starter of an idea when weighed from that angle.
My thought on that would be using 1 or both of them like we would have with THJ and Bertans as salary filler to go with our picks to get a couple non-allstar starter level studs in return (in the OG Anunoby range). Hayward mostly helps in that regard being an expiring in the offseason, Rozier will still have 3 years on contract. Of course that doesn't help the tax much, but we get a much higher quality team that should be contenders and depending on our run this season, possibly in the upper echelon of favorites.
(10-24-2022, 03:30 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]My thought on that would be using 1 or both of them like we would have with THJ and Bertans as salary filler to go with our picks to get a couple non-allstar starter level studs in return (in the OG Anunoby range). Hayward mostly helps in that regard being an expiring in the offseason, Rozier will still have 3 years on contract. Of course that doesn't help the tax much, but we get a much higher quality team that should be contenders and depending on our run this season, possibly in the upper echelon of favorites.
It really doesn't matter where you might intend to go from there - my point was that it would leave the Mavs so deep into tax next season that Cuban would almost certainly kill the deal.
Who's the "stud" you'd want to target? It's not OG. While he is often coveted in this forum, TOR would be looking for the exact opposite of the deal mentioned here. They are looking to move up and get BETTER players, not shed talent. And the only reason OG was ever out there was in ideas for a STUD CENTER. There has never been the notion they would move him for less, as they have visions of adding that last key piece to their current roster to grab another title.
(10-24-2022, 02:13 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]... However, from a LA angle, a THJ-Bertans package could be huge. Their weakness is an enormous lack of shooting ability, and THJ-Bertans would seem to be what the doctor ordered. Powell's energy would also help them, I think. Since the Mavs aren't in the biz of trying to rescue LA from the dumpster, it seems to me like the Mavs should be able to extract more than the carcass of RW in return, so that it can end up as a win-win.
I don't think there is a win-win in this scenario to be honest. Maybe you could get a SRP for LA, but they'd be doing the Mavs a solid in taking on the long term money of THJ (who everyone knows the Mavs have been trying to dump) and to a lesser extent Bertans (mostly assuming you can lessen his burden by not playing him). Yes, they need shooting but just like the Mavs, there is no way they should be giving up FRPs. This is basically both teams just swapping problems. LA would certainly improve but Ham's philosophy, just like Kidd's, is defense. I could see this improving them to fight for a playoff spot, but they'd still not be anywhere close to a contender. Due to the pick swap this year, they have no reason to tank but I still think their best move is to sell AD and then LeBron once he asks to be traded.
Hayward/Rozier also seems like a pipe dream if we don't include FRPs and we absolutely should not do that. And dumping THJ and Bertans would almost assuredly require that, especially if you expect to return something useful.
Patience seems like our best route and maybe Cuban bites the bullet a bit for a year instead of the stretch wave idea. Doesn't Bertans contract become partially guaranteed for the final season if he plays less than 75% of his games next year? Further, THJ's contract structure makes him easier to trade the longer you wait.
Bertans is why I hated the KP trade. This is also why I hated the THJ resigning.
And none of this is me advocating for a RW trade. I'm advocating for patience which is going to require a hefty dose of grin and bear it.
(10-24-2022, 05:10 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]It really doesn't matter where you might intend to go from there - my point was that it would leave the Mavs so deep into tax next season that Cuban would almost certainly kill the deal.
Who's the "stud" you'd want to target? It's not OG. While he is often coveted in this forum, TOR would be looking for the exact opposite of the deal mentioned here. They are looking to move up and get BETTER players, not shed talent. And the only reason OG was ever out there was in ideas for a STUD CENTER. There has never been the notion they would move him for less, as they have visions of adding that last key piece to their current roster to grab another title.
So, the vision of getting the team to a point where they are favorites is the reason to pitch Cuban. When we were an exciting team that won regular season games, that was when the Dallasites supported the team and filled the arena and bought, bought, bought. Having Luka brings people, having a title favorite brings them in droves, Dallas loves their winning teams.
As far as the OG idea, he’s for sure on my radar cause he brings everything we want in a player to add to this roster. He reportedly wants a bigger role and all the trades I’m seeing from TOR fans has them wanting a PG to push Van Vleet to the SG spot. Rozier, coming off a great playoff run and 2 firsts is the vision for that kind of deal. It certainly won’t get done with THJ or Bertans.
Even still, OG is the archetype for the player I want to fill all the holes we have on the team. I’m looking for OUR Dejuante Murray trade next offseason. The who isn’t as much the issue in my mind (there has been 1 or 2 of these types every offseason for a few years) as the assets needed to acquire them.
Jonathan Isaac fresh off a full year of playing and bringing his value up (which is what I think ORL is doing since they have Banchero and WCJ there now). Who is the next Utah? Hayward is the expiring that can snatch a player or 2 from a team looking to clear salary and tank. I don’t think Bertans would be that and much of the time you would need to add THJ in to match salary which means the bigger money is going to the multiple years.
(10-24-2022, 11:20 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]So, the vision of getting the team to a point where they are favorites is the reason to pitch Cuban. When we were an exciting team that won regular season games, that was when the Dallasites supported the team and filled the arena and bought, bought, bought. Having Luka brings people, having a title favorite brings them in droves, Dallas loves their winning teams.
As far as the OG idea, he’s for sure on my radar cause he brings everything we want in a player to add to this roster. He reportedly wants a bigger role and all the trades I’m seeing from TOR fans has them wanting a PG to push Van Vleet to the SG spot. Rozier, coming off a great playoff run and 2 firsts is the vision for that kind of deal. It certainly won’t get done with THJ or Bertans.
Even still, OG is the archetype for the player I want to fill all the holes we have on the team. I’m looking for OUR Dejuante Murray trade next offseason. The who isn’t as much the issue in my mind (there has been 1 or 2 of these types every offseason for a few years) as the assets needed to acquire them.
Jonathan Isaac fresh off a full year of playing and bringing his value up (which is what I think ORL is doing since they have Banchero and WCJ there now). Who is the next Utah? Hayward is the expiring that can snatch a player or 2 from a team looking to clear salary and tank. I don’t think Bertans would be that and much of the time you would need to add THJ in to match salary which means the bigger money is going to the multiple years.
It's all interesting theory. None of it sounds practical or even remotely possible to me, however -- just not envisioning Cuban being persuaded to pay 75M in tax, or getting players whose teams want to keep them and don't have them on the market (for a bucket of random poo), or buying players for a cheap price then flipping them for something way bigger.
(10-24-2022, 01:02 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]It's all interesting theory. None of it sounds practical or even remotely possible to me, however -- just not envisioning Cuban being persuaded to pay 75M in tax, or getting players whose teams want to keep them and don't have them on the market (for a bucket of random poo), or buying players for a cheap price then flipping them for something way bigger.
I get it, it’s not your idea so it’s not practical or remotely possible. If you are right and Cuban is no longer going to be sold a vision for the sole reason of cost, then I will truly be done with the team until he sells it. If he is going to be Robert Sarver, he should go the way of Robert Sarver!
Buying players for a cheap price is how we got Wood, Chandler, Marion, Butler, Haywood and Stevenson. While finding those deals aren’t easy, we just have to find the right one. There was a report that MJ was looking to cut salary once the news about Bridges came out. It may be fake news, but we have no idea about that. The deal with Cha cuts $50M of salary off their books. That’s a lot of money, I mean, you’re the KING of proposing those type deals.
The deal for OG is also situational. Last year he reportedly asked out because he wanted a bigger role. If it’s fake news, that doesn’t HAVE to be the deal, he’s just to me, the player we should target if we can put together a package of assets the Raptors would bite on. The talk did die down, but there was no reported resolution nor has he really gained a much bigger role for the team. Maybe the deal would be Rozier (or SD) and Maxi (since they’re looking for a big) for OG and the right amount of unnecessary (to them) salary filler.
You say a bucket of random poo…I didn’t know you thought that’s what our players are. Says a lot about your rah, rah speeches about who we are, and your posts defending our players.
IGT, it's not any of that -- it's that you aren't paying any attention to the TOR side of the deal, nor to the finances that flow from such a deal. Whenever I talk trade ideas, it's ALWAYS with a view towards matching what the other team is thought to want, and weighing the money impact. I certainly try NOT to offer ideas that conflict with what teams are looking for.
In TOR's case, their speculated motivation is to get BETTER players -- ie, add a STAR at a position of need -- rather than trade down in talent for draft picks. That's the exact opposite of this idea, where they give up OG and get back much lesser talent.
And from the Mavs end, there's nothing to indicate Cuban would consider paying 75M in tax. Such a payroll just doesn't fit who he has become.
BTW - those deals you cite, they were situations where the Mavs took on players the other team no longer really wanted, or were eager to move. Maybe that would be true re Hayward and Rozier (although, maybe not), but OG isn't such a player