(06-04-2023, 09:41 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]There is always the "associate head coach" position.
But honestly, I think Kidd won't get someone like that, he will be essentially hiring his potential heir as he surely knows he will be on hot seat.
He will try to make it as difficult as possible for the MBT to replace him mid-season.
Heck,if we fire him during the season then Budenholzer is the only available strong candidate.
I don't think he will be fired midseason. If we build some sort of competent team, we will be good. Otherwise Nico should be on the hot seat.
(06-03-2023, 05:45 PM)Luka77 Wrote: [ -> ]Add Terry Stots....he could take over for Kidd if the season goes south.
It's depressing. I'm hoping for Silas at this point. He's done good work for us before.
(06-04-2023, 10:39 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think he will be fired midseason. If we build some sort of competent team, we will be good. Otherwise Nico should be on the hot seat.
Coach will be fired before GM if we don't improve, I doubt Cuban will have the patience for Kidd if we don't improve
(06-04-2023, 10:39 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think he will be fired midseason. If we build some sort of competent team, we will be good. Otherwise Nico should be on the hot seat.
What if our team is good on paper and less than that in record? Kidd was horrendous last year. You can subject 5 games from our 82-game win total right off the bat, possibly more, for as long as he remains employed by us.
(06-04-2023, 03:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]What if our team is good on paper and less than that in record? Kidd was horrendous last year. You can subject 5 games from our 82-game win total right off the bat, possibly more, for as long as he remains employed by us.
That's possible, but I have a hard time seeing a good team lead by Luka failing that much.
Interesting start. Heat super hot. Nuggets with zero intensity or focus. Things aren´t going as intended when Jokic is forced to take over as a scorer in the first quarter. Almost doubles his teammates in FGA.
(06-04-2023, 03:14 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]What if our team is good on paper and less than that in record? Kidd was horrendous last year. You can subject 5 games from our 82-game win total right off the bat, possibly more, for as long as he remains employed by us.
Now, that's an interesting question.
What should the team's record be?
I feel a poll coming...
Of course, we'll have to wait and see what the composition of the team is. But comparing expectations to reality will also be very interesting...
(06-04-2023, 01:11 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]Coach will be fired before GM if we don't improve, I doubt Cuban will have the patience for Kidd if we don't improve
I don't think Kidd's in any trouble. Nor Nico.
Cuban is patient.
(06-04-2023, 07:32 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]Now, that's an interesting question.
What should the team's record be?
I feel a poll coming...
Of course, we'll have to wait and see what the composition of the team is. But comparing expectations to reality will also be very interesting...
It´s also a dangerous line of thoughts. Same story has been told too many times over the last 10-15 years. Mavs only need a coaching change. Mavs are one piece away. Mavs only need to find a better ...(insert PG,C, wing).
Personally I couldn´t disagree more. Poll needs a "heck no you have all lost it" option.
John Goble. Born in Miami. Lives in Miami. Went to school in Miami. Highschool teammate of Udonis Haslem. Went to Florida International University. What could possibly go wrong if he is making crucial calls in a finals game that features the Heat...
Almost like the league is asking for fan outrage and conspiracies.
Spolstra deserves the Finals MVP if they manage to win the series
(06-05-2023, 08:55 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If true, it doesn't look Bulls are ready for any kind of rebuild.
https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status...9475172353
They almost are forced to overpaying him. In some ways similar to us and Kyrie. That trade was awful for them, and they Magic still have the 11th pick this year to use.
The bulls are stuck between a rock and a hard spot. Sooner or later, they are going to be rebuilding. They are just not ready yet. Even if Lonzo makes a full recovery, they are nothing more than a first round playoff team. I would keep an eye on them for a year or so down the road.
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(06-02-2023, 11:15 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: Wrote:...for Phoenix and other trade targets. Do they need to fix their cap sheet now or over the next 13 months?
Forest Gump Wrote:
One CBA nuance that may be very relevant is that the super-tight trade restrictions for teams over Apron 2 begin at the end of the 2023-24 regular season, rather than in July 2024 free agency.
No aggregation (in taking a player), 100% matching, can't offer cash.
For teams with bigger issues, they may feel compelled to make some big moves this summer. They need teams with cap room, TPEs, and expiring salary. But on the other side of those trades, you don't want to be stuck with the bad multi-year salary because it will clog your cap and probably become hard to move.
Who are the teams with biggest looming payroll issues? I know GS and LAC should have big issues. Anyone else?
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Well, I had a response to this written and it got lost when the thread was closed (not smiling face emoji).
Good information about the end of 23/24 restrictions. June is going to be VERY busy.
As to your last question, I think you have to look out a season or more and see where teams project to be. What does Atlanta do with all that salary and Murray wanting an extension?
Besides the two teams you name, Miami, Denver, Philly, Milwaukee and Denver all project to be around the second apron with 10 or fewer players. How does Phoenix add to what is essentially a three man team? Miami's cap situation corrects itself when Lowry comes off the books in a year, but it doesn't help them compete. They need to move Herro or Robinson if they want to have a chance to replace Lowry. Other teams don't have big expiring contracts like this and now you are telling me there won't be an easy out next June either. That is why I asked the question before. Better to just eat the restrictions and cost for a season? Or, better to look to do something now and avoid the holiday rush?
This also makes me wonder about the value of some of our trade assets. THJ is clearly a better player than Bertans. But, is Bertans the better trade asset? Is a S/W really a wise use of an asset that might help one of these teams erase some salary a year from now?
(06-05-2023, 11:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]48 minutes ago (This post was last modified: 47 minutes ago by F Gump.)
Forest Gump Wrote:
One CBA nuance that may be very relevant is that the super-tight trade restrictions for teams over Apron 2 begin at the end of the 2023-24 regular season, rather than in July 2024 free agency.
No aggregation (in taking a player), 100% matching, can't offer cash.
For teams with bigger issues, they may feel compelled to make some big moves this summer. They need teams with cap room, TPEs, and expiring salary. But on the other side of those trades, you don't want to be stuck with the bad multi-year salary because it will clog your cap and probably become hard to move.
Who are the teams with biggest looming payroll issues? I know GS and LAC should have big issues. Anyone else?
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Well, I had a response to this written and it got lost when the thread was closed (not smiling face emoji).
Good information about the end of 23/24 restrictions. June is going to be VERY busy.
As to your last question, I think you have to look out a season or more and see where teams project to be. What does Atlanta do with all that salary and Murray wanting an extension?
Besides the two teams you name, Miami, Denver, Philly, Milwaukee and Denver all project to be around the second apron with 10 or fewer players. How does Phoenix add to what is essentially a three man team? Miami's cap situation corrects itself when Lowry comes off the books in a year, but it doesn't help them compete. They need to move Herro or Robinson if they want to have a chance to replace Lowry. Other teams don't have big expiring contracts like this and now you are telling me there won't be an easy out next June either. That is why I asked the question before. Better to just eat the restrictions and cost for a season? Or, better to look to do something now and avoid the holiday rush?
This also makes me wonder about the value of some of our trade assets. THJ is clearly a better player than Bertans. But, is Bertans the better trade asset? Is a S/W really a wise use of an asset that might help one of these teams erase some salary a year from now?
I’ve been saying Bertans will probably be a pretty big asset at the TDL after we have sat him all season.
(06-05-2023, 11:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]This also makes me wonder about the value of some of our trade assets. THJ is clearly a better player than Bertans. But, is Bertans the better trade asset? Is a S/W really a wise use of an asset that might help one of these teams erase some salary a year from now?
I understand your point, and you are right that DB may be the better trade asset than THJ because of his potential for salary savings (17M on the cap becomes 4.4M with a s-w, which is huge). RB may have as much value too (10.8M on the cap can become 1.8M with a S-W). If you can work a buyout where they take a small reduction, you might increase the savings even more.
But the Mavs have salary issues of their own that a Bertans s-w might have to solve. And they might want to use Wood in a SNT if some team emerges where a trade including Wood moves the needle. And they might want to have a full MLE.
It's a complex equation, and they can't do it all. But somewhere in all of it is the question of how they assemble the best roster possible, I would hope. Maybe Cuban's working "hard cap" may be Apron 2 rather than Apron 1?
(06-05-2023, 11:28 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’ve been saying Bertans will probably be a pretty big asset at the TDL after we have sat him all season.
I don't think he makes it to TDL. I think some team, either Mavs or someone else, will s-w him for cap savings both now and in the future.
(06-05-2023, 12:12 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your point, and you are right that DB may be the better trade asset than THJ because of his potential for salary savings (17M on the cap becomes 4.4M with a s-w, which is huge). RB may have as much value too (10.8M on the cap can become 1.8M with a S-W). If you can work a buyout where they take a small reduction, you might increase the savings even more.
But the Mavs have salary issues of their own that a Bertans s-w might have to solve. And they might want to use Wood in a SNT if some team emerges where a trade including Wood moves the needle. And they might want to have a full MLE.
It's a complex equation, and they can't do it all. But somewhere in all of it is the question of how they assemble the best roster possible, I would hope. Maybe Cuban's working "hard cap" may be Apron 2 rather than Apron 1?
Have the stretch-waive rules changed? Pretty sure you have to guarantee the full salary to s-w a player. You can´t s-w a buyout. That means Bullock would be 3.6M over three years and Bertans would be 6.6M over five years. S-W Bertans or Bullock never made any sense. THJ makes no sense due to his declining contract actually becoming an asset against a rising cap. The only buyout candidate imho is Joel at 2.7M over five years.
(06-05-2023, 01:13 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Have the stretch-waive rules changed? Pretty sure you have to guarantee the full salary to s-w a player. You can´t s-w a buyout. That means Bullock would be 3.6M over three years and Bertans would be 6.6M over five years. S-W Bertans or Bullock never made any sense. THJ makes no sense due to his declining contract actually becoming an asset against a rising cap. The only buyout candidate imho is Joel at 2.7M over five years.
I don't think so. I've seen several instances of S/W's of only the guaranteed money in the past.
(06-05-2023, 01:13 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Have the stretch-waive rules changed? Pretty sure you have to guarantee the full salary to s-w a player. You can´t s-w a buyout. That means Bullock would be 3.6M over three years and Bertans would be 6.6M over five years. S-W Bertans or Bullock never made any sense. THJ makes no sense due to his declining contract actually becoming an asset against a rising cap. The only buyout candidate imho is Joel at 2.7M over five years.
The stretch and the buyout are different issues, and can overlap. There's also a "right of set off" that can enter into the equation and alter the math.
You may be thinking of what happens when buyouts are more frequent, which is after the trade deadline with players whose contracts are expiring. In those cases, the buyout amount can't be stretched, but it has to do with the timing of the waiver itself that accompanies the buyout, rather than any broad prohibition. (S-W isn't allowed on waiver after Sept 1.)
You certainly do NOT have to guarantee any NG salary, as part of a s-w.
Whether a player is willing to accept a further reduction in his contract if he is waived certainly would vary, and be a matter of negotiation, and the biggest factor would be whether he can sign a new deal once he's a FA, and for how much. Sometimes a player wants to go elsewhere, and will accept less for the opportunity. But the right of set-off, which is written into any contract and can be modified, also comes into play, which reduces the amount owed by orig team if player signs a new deal.
If done this summer...
- Bullock s-w would be 1.8 x 3
- Bertans s-w would be 4.4 x 5
No one is talking about a THJ s-w
(06-05-2023, 01:44 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]The stretch and the buyout are different issues, and can overlap. There's also a "right of set off" that can enter into the equation and alter the math.
You may be thinking of what happens when buyouts are more frequent, which is after the trade deadline with players whose contracts are expiring. In those cases, the buyout amount can't be stretched, but it has to do with the timing of the waiver itself that accompanies the buyout, rather than any broad prohibition. (S-W isn't allowed on waiver after Sept 1.)
You certainly do NOT have to guarantee any NG salary, as part of a s-w.
Whether a player is willing to accept a further reduction in his contract if he is waived certainly would vary, and be a matter of negotiation, and the biggest factor would be whether he can sign a new deal once he's a FA, and for how much. Sometimes a player wants to go elsewhere, and will accept less for the opportunity. But the right of set-off, which is written into any contract and can be modified, also comes into play, which reduces the amount owed by orig team if player signs a new deal.
If done this summer...
- Bullock s-w would be 1.8 x 3
- Bertans s-w would be 4.4 x 5
No one is talking about a THJ s-w
No you are correct. I was always under the impression that you have to fully guarantee a salary to use the s-w provision, but you actually do not. What a weird rule. Well only more reasons to not trade Bumtans as a negative asset for #10 or something else.