Fischer] Lonzo Ball expected to receive a "big" offer sheet from the Chicago Bulls once they are able to move Tomas Satoransky and Thaddeus Young. Bulls will presumably go after Derrick Rose to pair with Ball to help carry the offense.
I asked Frank how the team viewed its timetable as contenders in the wake of Leonard’s knee injury, which could keep him out most of, if not all of next season. He said the Clippers still expect to be very competitive in the West. They’re not punting on next year — nor should they, practically, given that their roster core is only getting older. But how to contend with such a scoring void given Leonard’s injury? One name described as a target of the team’s interest in free agency is DeMar DeRozan, who is an unrestricted free agent.
The Lakers need shooting. One name that is coming up is Patty Mills. He can shoot the lights out and would be great off the bench. Wayne Ellington is another shooter who has interest in rejoining the Lakers. Trevor Ariza and Andre Iguodala are veteran wings who are candidates. Carmelo Anthony is interested, just waiting on a call from the Lakers when free agency opens Monday. Guess who might be back for a third time? Yup, Dwight Howard is ready to return and play center. Jeff Green and Goran Dragic also are names to look out for.
DeRozan had his sights set on joining the Lakers as a free agent and coming home to play for his favorite team while growing up in Compton. But Russ put the brakes on that. DeRozan made $27 million last season and probably doesn’t want to take that big of a pay cut. So, for the Clippers to sign DeRozan, they probably would have to do a sign-and-trade. But watch out for Dallas possibly being a home for DeRozan.
(08-01-2021, 12:45 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Fischer] Lonzo Ball expected to receive a "big" offer sheet from the Chicago Bulls once they are able to move Tomas Satoransky and Thaddeus Young. Bulls will presumably go after Derrick Rose to pair with Ball to help carry the offense.
Hmmmmm. This could be a very interesting opportunity to make the Bulls bleed.
We could take Satoransky into the TPE.
Make the Bulls pay with the #38 pick. Ayo Dosunmu, 6´5 PG, 20/6/5 last year, shooting splits of 49/39/78. I think some projected him as a 1st round pick. Know nothing about him, but seems interesting on paper.
Other options on top of Satoransky could include a straight swap of Burke and Arcidiacono.
A stretch but Kleber for Young and White into our TPE also saves the Bulls $10M, since White becomes somewhat expendable with Lavine + Ball + Arcidiacono + rookie PG + (maybe Satoransky). They also get a cheaper replacement for Young rather than outright waiving him and carrying the $5M buyout salary.
This feels like an excellent situation we can exploit.
(08-01-2021, 04:51 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Hmmmmm. This could be a very interesting opportunity to make the Bulls bleed.
We could take Satoransky into the TPE.
Make the Bulls pay with the #38 pick. Ayo Dosunmu, 6´5 PG, 20/6/5 last year, shooting splits of 49/39/78. I think some projected him as a 1st round pick. Know nothing about him, but seems interesting on paper.
Other options on top of Satoransky could include a straight swap of Burke and Arcidiacono.
A stretch but Kleber for Young and White into our TPE also saves the Bulls $10M, since White becomes somewhat expendable with Lavine + Ball + Arcidiacono + rookie PG + (maybe Satoransky). They also get a cheaper replacement for Young rather than outright waiving him and carrying the $5M buyout salary.
This feels like an excellent situation we can exploit.
Yeah, I’ve been playing around with Chicago deals also. I like Satoransky and Thaddeus. Chicago can just dump them and save $13mm in space. So, even taking Sato into the TPE and trade matching Thaddeus doesn’t help them much as we have to send out at least $9.2mm and only creates an extra $2mm in space. The only way to really help them is to take them both into cap space and save them the full $24.2. Seems like Chicago ought to pay something for that…but what?
(08-01-2021, 06:38 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I’ve been playing around with Chicago deals also. I like Satoransky and Thaddeus. Chicago can just dump them and save $13mm in space. So, even taking Sato into the TPE and trade matching Thaddeus doesn’t help them much as we have to send out at least $9.2mm and only creates an extra $2mm in space. The only way to really help them is to take them both into cap space and save them the full $24.2. Seems like Chicago ought to pay something for that…but what?
With the rumours of Ball AND Rose, it feels like they are ready to move on from White, especially since he just had shoulder surgery. White/Lavine were unplayable together, but okay separated.
We don´t have to solve all their problems. We can´t take both Satoransky and Young. That would kill our flexibility, but Satoransky into the TPE is very much in play and if we can make them pay with either White or Dosunmu + swap of Burke/Arcadiacono that´s excellen use of the TPE.
Would be amazing if we turned
Richardson + Burke into Satoransky (expiring), Brown (minimum contract), Dosunmu (rookie contract) and Arcadiacono (RFA)
or
Richardson into Satoransky (expiring), Brown (minimum contract) and White (rookie contract)
One added benefit of such a deal would be getting a cost effective Brunson replacement in early, so you can explore trade options, if you want to.
(08-01-2021, 07:17 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]
We don´t have to solve all their problems. We can´t take both Satoransky and Young. That would kill our flexibility, but Satoransky into the TPE is very much in play and if we can make them pay with either White or Dosunmu hat´s excellen use of the TPE.
Would be amazing if we turned
Richardson + Burke into Satoransky (expiring), Brown (minimum contract), Dosunmu (rookie contract) and Arcadiacono (RFA)
One added benefit of such a deal would be getting a cost effective Brunson replacement in early, so you can explore trade options, if you want to.
Yeah, I'm definitely trying to solve all of their problems at once. Arcidiacono is fully non-guaranteed, so I think you can drop that part of the deal. But Sato is super cost effective for a year and not so old that you can't bring him back if you'd like. To your point, I would easily trade JRich for him straight up. If you add Moses and Dosunmu (an Excel guy) to that deal, that is some pretty clever work.
Doing it this way and bringing back THJ keeps you over the cap and you have the Full MLE and BAE at that point. It would probably be nice to add a little front court help. Sterling Brown at the BAE makes sense also. If you go this route, there isn't a limit on what you can pay THJ.
However, if you can get Hardaway for something more reasonable (say $14mm), and you don't bring back Willie, you'd have $11.4mm to spend in the front court. Bump that a bit if you can offload Burke. So you don't have to use the TPE necessarily (though it doesn't really make a difference as it is the same money in the end). One advantage of the TPE is Chicago has to decide on Sato today. So, the TPE would make that deal legal right now.
Holmes/Powell/Moses
KP/Maxi/Bey
DFS/Sterling/Green
THJ/Sato/Dosunmu
Luka/Brunson/Terry
(08-01-2021, 07:54 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I'm definitely trying to solve all of their problems at once. Arcidiacono is fully non-guaranteed, so I think you can drop that part of the deal. But Sato is super cost effective for a year and not so old that you can't bring him back if you'd like. To your point, I would easily trade JRich for him straight up. If you add Moses and Dosunmu (an Excel guy) to that deal, that is some pretty clever work.
Doing it this way and bringing back THJ keeps you over the cap and you have the Full MLE and BAE at that point. It would probably be nice to add a little front court help. Sterling Brown at the BAE makes sense also. If you go this route, there isn't a limit on what you can pay THJ.
However, if you can get Hardaway for something more reasonable (say $14mm), and you don't bring back Willie, you'd have $11.4mm to spend in the front court. Bump that a bit if you can offload Burke. So you don't have to use the TPE necessarily (though it doesn't really make a difference as it is the same money in the end). One advantage of the TPE is Chicago has to decide on Sato today. So, the TPE would make that deal legal right now.
If the Mavs could bring in Sato and Young without renouncing THJ (I don’t know if this is possible) and keep the full MLE, plus the moves for the two Browns, without really giving up core players, that’s a solid off-season given the limited good options. Mavs fans should be able to live with something like that.
You all make me sick! Throwing around words like “creative” and “clever thinking” to describe OUR front office… That’s not the Mavericks way, damn it! Where’s your sense of loyalty and tradition? That’s not who we are. That’s not what we represent. It’s just not right, damn it!
Donnie Nelson would be spinning in his grave if he could read all this talk of “good use of cap space”…
Well I for one reject it!
“We love our boys in blue” forever!!
Hollinger: I’ve heard a lot of different stuff, but if I had to bet on one outcome, I think it ends with an offer sheet from the Bulls that the Pelicans decide to match after Kyle Lowry signs with the Mavericks. At the end of the day, Ball is both young and good, and having him on a multiyear deal on the same timeline as Zion and Ingram is still New Orleans’ best option. Keeping him also lets them re-sign Hart and use their full mid-level exception — and hopefully build the team in a more organic way than relying on the cap-space fairy to save them.
Playing around with another "help" concept. This one is helping Lowry get to Philly.
I get that Tobias Harris makes an enormous amount of money, but he does most of what attracts us to Collins at $28mm AND can creates his own shot. Philly can't get S&T Lowry without dumping some salary to avoid the hard cap. Most presume it would be Simmons. But what if they see Simmons in the front court being a good use if they have another shot creator in Lowry.
So, we send Powell and S&T Hardaway ($17.2mm) to Toronto. We get Tobias and Philly probably gets a hometown discount from Lowry. If that number is $25mm this saves them $11mm toward staying under the apron. We can take back a little more salary as this is all over the cap (Thybulle, Green, Korkmaz?), though only the first one helps with their salary situation. Or, you do the Satoransky deal we discussed earlier. There is still the MLE to fill in other holes.
(08-01-2021, 09:42 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Hollinger: I’ve heard a lot of different stuff, but if I had to bet on one outcome, I think it ends with an offer sheet from the Bulls that the Pelicans decide to match after Kyle Lowry signs with the Mavericks. At the end of the day, Ball is both young and good, and having him on a multiyear deal on the same timeline as Zion and Ingram is still New Orleans’ best option. Keeping him also lets them re-sign Hart and use their full mid-level exception — and hopefully build the team in a more organic way than relying on the cap-space fairy to save them.
In all honesty, this would be the best possible outcome for New Orleans imo. It is a strange fitting team, but they would be filled with young, established talent. Plus, they have several young 1-3 year players with potential. If things don't work out, they may be the leaders with the team with the best young assets.
If I was a NO fan, I think I would be rooting for this exact scenario.