(08-11-2021, 09:28 AM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, he has more hops, but, agree with OKstate, he's not as fast up and down.
Dirk in the Summer League at 20.
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If you're Chicago, how valuable is our 2027 FRP anyway?
(08-11-2021, 10:04 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]But in that huge in between, where are they? That issue drives what they might offer. Do they have a significant need for him, as to a role and minutes, how would that work, and why are they paying more to add yet another big? Other than the fact that he is talented and young and has some skill on offense, I'm not sure I get this.
I think the ball is in Lauri’s court.
I believe Mavs are appealing to him through the media. “We want you, we love you” but have firmly stated there is only one road to becoming a Mav (through the TPE)
If Mavs and Lauri could agree on the money, Chicago and Dallas could then work out the bag.
Dallas being limited to the TPE is a manufactured limit, so the agent is probably not satisfied. But he has to convince Chicago to take back salary otherwise. Chicago can ask for the moon here and Dallas won’t entertain. But Lauri can still go elsewhere (probably not desirable) Agent is busy.
@"mavsluvr" wrote: Do we know whether Stein's source for that remark was the Mavs or Lauri's agent?
Good point.^ Could be the agent stirring the pot. I didn’t think of that.
If we trade another freaking 1st for Markennen of all people I think it will be time to start the countdown on the end of Luka's tenure in Dallas.
(08-12-2021, 09:38 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Are you suggesting that LM would come off the bench?
Yes. We need as much defense as we can get around Luka and THJ (and possibly/arguably KP) and Lauri is not that. Folks are suggesting he would replace KP when he is not playing, but you do not want Lauri at the 5, so we would still need to put a center out there.
(08-12-2021, 11:03 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. We need as much defense as we can get around Luka and THJ (and possibly/arguably KP) and Lauri is not that. Folks are suggesting he would replace KP when he is not playing, but you do not want Lauri at the 5, so we would still need to put a center out there.
That being the case, it makes we wonder if this pursuit makes sense.
Isn't a big part of the reason Markkanen wants out that he doesn't want to come off the bench?
Should the Mavs trade a first round pick and/or one or more young players for a bench guy? And pay him in excess of $12M per?
Sorry, don't mean to be obtuse, but I'm just not getting this. Maybe you are suggesting that Chicago and LM would come down to a reasonable price for a bench player?
What I will say is that it probably pays to have a good/big agent, if you are Markkanen/Schroeder tier, because these super-max deals eat into the real capspace pretty hard. Especially for higher end RFA it becomes a horror and some agents probably did well to recognize that (Ball/Graham). If the Hawks wanted to be dicks about it, they probably could have gotten Collins for a lot less (or playing on the QO
), because nobody had legit money left at that stage.
Having Holger as his advisor was never an issue for Dirk, because he was guaranteed max money. Meanwhile Markkanen´s agent only has Alex Len as another NBA client and Schroeder is represented by his brother.
If they had better agents, they probably would have had deals lined-up, adjusted their expectations during the tampering phase or at least at the start of official free agency. This is probably even more true for Schroeder than Markkanen, who had to deal with the RFA dilemma. No way Schroeder should have walked away with less than a 1+1 player option full MLE deal or maybe even Oubre money. Though I think Boston was a smart choice in the end.
(08-12-2021, 11:18 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]That being the case, it makes we wonder if this pursuit makes sense.
Isn't a big part of the reason Markkanen wants out that he doesn't want to come off the bench?
Should the Mavs trade a first round pick and/or one or more young players for a bench guy? And pay him in excess of $12M per?
Sorry, don't mean to be obtuse, but I'm just not getting this. Maybe you are suggesting that Chicago and LM would come down to a reasonable price for a bench player?
This is exactly where I am at. He is a talented player who has not improved much in 4 years and has been pushed to the bench on a not very good Chicago team. Due to his talent and youth, it make sense to bring him in on a reasonable contract for limited assets, but I really don't see him coming in and starting right away.
I'm starting to think that the only way Lauri happens is as part of a massive, multi-team deal that also sends KP somewhere and brings back a center. Perhaps Toronto/Dragic gets aggregated as well.
(08-12-2021, 11:32 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]it make sense to bring him in on a reasonable contract for limited assets,
I don't know. Seems like a lot of things would have to change in just the right way to make this realistic. Never say never, I guess.
(08-12-2021, 11:18 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]That being the case, it makes we wonder if this pursuit makes sense.
On the spectrum of making sense to not making sense, I think Mavs can easily make sense of the player for TPE + filler + SRP, but can’t make sense of 15M + FRP + Maxi. So maybe this gap just can’t be filled between the 3 parties.
(08-12-2021, 11:46 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know. Seems like a lot of things would have to change in just the right way to make this realistic. Never say never, I guess.
Totally agree with you - if one thinks about Markkanen, it has to be about him as a starter. If one doesn't think he fits, it shouldn't be done.
Personally I don't really see how the fit could work great. But then on the other hand, we are not contenders with or without him. He would surely raise our ceiling and flexibility, especially at the TPE level salary. I wouldn't pay a FRP, because it would just kill our flexibility for forever. So if he accepts TPE and Chicago accepts something like young player and second rounders, I pull the trigger and try to make it work with him starting. If he plays all non KP minutes (roughly 18 per game), there are only like 10 minutes he has to share the floor with KP.
I would be in favor of a Lauri move, although cost would definitely be the deciding factor for me. I would not want to give up Josh Green.
As far as fit, it would not be perfect. But I don't think it would be awful either. Couldn't Lauri be a younger not as experienced version of Gallinari? A guy who gets heavy bench minutes who looks to score. Who knows how he pairs with KP. Maybe it is something that could work. But who knows how long KP is here either. If KP is not better on defense next year, it will be a problem regardless who is next to him.
I may be biased because Lauri has had a few really nice games against Dallas where he was pretty agile around the rim. Sometimes players need a change of scenery. Sometimes it is a matter of time and place as well. Is that true for Lauri?
(08-12-2021, 11:53 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Totally agree with you - if one thinks about Markkanen, it has to be about him as a starter. If one doesn't think he fits, it shouldn't be done.
Yes, it seems like we're talking about spending one or more of the Mavs' few assets in a trade that would require shoehorning an ill-fitting piece into a position they really don't need or have.
I wonder if the Mavs are truly as enthusiastic about making this trade happen as all that.
(08-12-2021, 10:48 AM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know whether Stein's source for that remark was the Mavs or Lauri's agent?
We know for a FACT, that his source is a poster from this board! They all read us!!!
Let me make a different prediction. The Mavs will be in the Markkanen deal, one way or the other.
If he goes to the Pelicans, we´ll pick up Josh Hart in the process. Take him into our TPE and send some asset to the Bulls to help facilitate the Markkanen deal for the Pelicans. For example WCS into the Bulls $5M TPE or/and a 2nd round pick.
If he goes to the Wolves, we´ll take Juancho Hernangomez and Jaden McDaniels into our TPE and send two 2nd round picks to the Bulls.
(08-12-2021, 11:41 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I'm starting to think that the only way Lauri happens is as part of a massive, multi-team deal that also sends KP somewhere and brings back a center. Perhaps Toronto/Dragic gets aggregated as well.
I asked for someone to make me this trade earlier this week! KP and JB (plus whatever is needed to make salaries and value fit) for Coby and Derrick White and LM coming back (and whatever else can be negotiated like a first or 2)! We don't necessarily need a C to come back unless we lose both WCS and Powell in the trade. Otherwise, Millsap or some other FA left out there will suffice.