The idea that Ujiri would take the contracts of Richardson/Powell rather than outright capspace is absolutely hilarious.
(07-28-2021, 07:05 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]The idea that Ujiri would take the contracts of Richardson/Powell rather than outright capspace is absolutely hilarious.
The Raptors won't have any cap space even if they lose Lowry for air.
(07-28-2021, 07:20 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]The Raptors won't have any cap space even if they lose Lowry for air.
I don't believe this to be true. I was looking at Raptor boards and they seem to think they can have 17 million in cap and 23 if they move on from Boucher. I don't think re-signing Trent impacts this number. Maybe there are a few moves they need to do, but they seem to think they will have space if they want to make a run at Jarrett Allen if they do not do a Sign and Trade with Lowry.
I think if we will need cap space, we will pay for it. I doubt anyone would just take JRich or Maxi and especially not Powell in cap space, knowing that we need it. Remember Warren plus second rounder to Indiana.
If I am Toronto, I rather just pay a second rounder to Dallas to create TPE from Lowry or let him go for nothing. I have no interest in any of JRich, Kleber or Powell, unless Dallas is paying me assets to take them.
(07-28-2021, 07:05 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]The idea that Ujiri would take the contracts of Richardson/Powell rather than outright capspace is absolutely hilarious.
Do I really have to put
FOR INSTANCE and
FOR NUMBERS SAKE in bold and all caps every time I talk through how a concept might work?
(07-28-2021, 07:26 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Do I really have to put FOR INSTANCE and FOR NUMBERS SAKE in bold and all caps every time I talk through how a concept might work?
No I understand how the concept works. Ujri gets out of bed in the morning, slips, bumps his head at the bedpost, gets concussed, and decides to take on two trash contracts.
Those players don't even need to to go Toronto in the S&T
(07-28-2021, 07:25 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think if we will need cap space, we will pay for it. I doubt anyone would just take JRich or Maxi and especially not Powell in cap space, knowing that we need it. Remember Warren plus second rounder to Indiana.
If I am Toronto, I rather just pay a second rounder to Dallas to create TPE from Lowry or let him go for nothing. I have no interest in any of JRich, Kleber or Powell, unless Dallas is paying me assets to take them.
Someone mentioned Mosley in Orlando. They have a large enough TPE to take any of those players. I could fairly easily see them taking Maxi. He's got optionality (expiring or cost controlled for two years) and provides cheap Isaac insurance and can play two positions in their big rotation. I could actually see them giving us a second for that. Remember Dallas was on the cusp of getting Warren and a pick before Indy swooped in. Also, by the time the deal was completed, Indy received three 2nds from Miami as the deal expanded to include Okpala.
If Boston truly wanted JRich, Dallas could send him there and Maxi to Orlando to create the trade match needed for Lowry at $25mm and stay over the cap.
(07-28-2021, 07:38 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Remember Dallas was on the cusp of getting Warren and a pick before Indy swooped in.
Dallas was actually offering a pick, if I remember correctly. Deal breaker was that Dallas wanted to send salary back while Indy just took him in cap space.
We may agree to disagree, but I think once teams notice that we need cap space, they will want assets for it. Orlando has no use of Maxi as I assume they will be tanking. I just don't see them sending us a pick, it would make more sense for them to sell their cap space to someone like Utah or Boston, looking to dump their salaries. Three team deal with Boston might be a possibility.
(07-28-2021, 08:15 AM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Lowry will be 3/90
To New Orleans, please!!! Need New Orleans to save the offseason for the Mavs!!
(07-28-2021, 08:16 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas was actually offering a pick, if I remember correctly. Deal breaker was that Dallas wanted to send salary back while Indy just took him in cap space.
We may agree to disagree, but I think once teams notice that we need cap space, they will want assets for it. Orlando has no use of Maxi as I assume they will be tanking. I just don't see them sending us a pick, it would make more sense for them to sell their cap space to someone like Utah or Boston, looking to dump their salaries. Three team deal with Boston might be a possibility.
You are right, I said that poorly. We are Phoenix in this case and Phoenix was paid a pick for Warren. You are saying Dallas (Phoenix) would be paying a pick to offload Maxi.
I don't have time to develop it, but ChiJK may be onto something involving Turner to Boston, Smart to Indy, JRich to the Boston TPE and Maxi for TT (with TT going to Mosley and the Orlando TPE). Without looking, I think that is pretty close to working and could be done on or before draft night. Or, you announce it and wait on Lowry as Dallas didn't take back any salary and the outgoing would match Lowry at $25mm.
(07-28-2021, 05:16 AM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]I would be extremely happy if we get Lowry , but I fail to see why he would join us.
Financially, Pelicans seems ready to offer him way more than anyone else.
From winning perspective, Sixers are way ahead of ys, and if Lakers manage to find a way to add him then they are in better position too.
I think Ball is just more realistic target, but will be happy if proven wrong
Unfortunately, I think it's the opposite. Sixers and Lakers would have to go through a lot of hoops to get him in. We already saw a report that the Pelicans might be backing off. I'm afraid if the mavs are willing to pay the price, they will get him.
There is a very good chance that Ball wants to be a point guard (he is much better suited to secondary play maker) in which he will probably not want to play second fiddle to Luka.
(07-28-2021, 07:35 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]No I understand how the concept works. Ujri gets out of bed in the morning, slips, bumps his head at the bedpost, gets concussed, and decides to take on two trash contracts.
Whereas Mavs2021 gets out of bed and looks for posts on Mavsboard to poop on
(07-28-2021, 08:17 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]To New Orleans, please!!! Need New Orleans to save the offseason for the Mavs!!
Hopefully that decision comes in the tampering portion of the offseason like the Kawhi decision did!
(07-28-2021, 09:31 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully that decision comes in the tampering portion of the offseason like the Kawhi decision did!
Once again, if not and plus if Kamm gets his wish, you have 2019 3.0 on your hands, which I think any Mavs fan would have to be certifiable to want.
(07-28-2021, 08:45 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, I think it's the opposite. Sixers and Lakers would have to go through a lot of hoops to get him in. We already saw a report that the Pelicans might be backing off. I'm afraid if the mavs are willing to pay the price, they will get him.
There is a very good chance that Ball wants to be a point guard (he is much better suited to secondary play maker) in which he will probably not want to play second fiddle to Luka.
I think Lowry is far better player than Ball in the next 3 year window. Ball was never on a winning team, is young and is still sort of growing up. Part of this is also, as you said, likely the desire to be important, to have ball in hands and so on. Sure he can develop, but I rather take someone who already got this. Plus I really think Mavs need a vet with respect. Someone, who will be able to hold both Luka and KP accountable (I don't think Barea or similar "washed up" vet solves that). Sure it is very likely Ball will be better than Lowry in 5 years, perhaps sooner. But I think Mavs are looking at next 1-3 years.
As for 2 or 3 year deal some are so worried. First of all, the first priority is to actually get someone. And if Mavs think Lowry is the man, 2 or 3 year deal is not a question at all. If he wants three years and that is his bottom line, so be it. Further, Mavs next window, unless a superstar trade falls out of the blue, is next 3 years. Till 2024, when KP contract expires. So if nothing big comes along until then, Mavs will have all their draft assets available for trade after 2023 draft with KP, Lowry and THJ expiring deals, 2020 rookies and perhaps 22 rookie, Brunson and DFS. If even then nothing big comes along, Mavs have almost 2 max slots in 2024. The only risk is if Lowry completely falls off the cliff and becomes a Horford level overpaid. But I am hopeful he stays more CP3 level useful.