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(08-10-2021, 10:09 AM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]So, could you say that his first two years show that he could possibly be a decent Finnisher?

I'm finna lose it with the Markkenen jokes.

(08-10-2021, 10:12 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I'm finna lose it with the Markkenen jokes.

Markk my words he might be the Finnal piece.

(08-10-2021, 10:12 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]I'm finna lose it with the Markkenen jokes.

You don't think they hit the Mark?

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(08-10-2021, 10:16 AM)haveitall Wrote: [ -> ]Markk my words he might be the Finnal piece.

You finnished your joke before I did

(08-10-2021, 10:09 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Penny pincher!!!

(08-10-2021, 10:07 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]My opinion on Lauri on why the Mavs should get him:

• Specifically says he wants to be a Mav early on, that has to mean something
  
• Is a bump in talent the Mavs sorely need
  
• Young and can develop further
  
• Not just a spot-up shooting big or a rim rolling big, has a more diversified offensive game
  
• Can dribble the length of the floor on a break and not a turnover waiting to happen
  
• A KP replacement should the Mavs move on from KP, or at least be the main offensive big for the days KP is going to be unavailable
  
• Can play with any big on the roster not named KP
  
• The potential of his pick and pop with Luka is high
  
• Is going to be useful in the regular season, providing the Mavs with another legit scoring option
  
• Another floor spacer, but can attack the rim off the dribble
  
• Mavs can put a five man crew where everyone has a lethal 3 ball
  
• Subpar rebounder, but Luka can offset that, and with Dirk on the team, can teach LM how to be a better rebounder
  

Exactly buy low sell high. There are many concerns as with Porzingis, mainly BBIQ.  Just watched highlights of their dual on NY and CHI and both kept shooting over double teams, and over dribbling.

(08-10-2021, 10:07 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]Specifically says he wants to be a Mav early on, that has to mean something

Dragic AND Lauri both have said this. Which is kind of new for the Mavs.

It will be super interesting to see if their desires win out....

(08-09-2021, 03:02 PM)vfromlmf Wrote: [ -> ]2021 Summer Trade Season probably deserves it's own thread ...

I think the biggest names - Lillard and Beal - are unlikely to be moved but there are some interesting second fiddles / All Stars and high-end starters who could be ... 

Simmons. Morey is doing the right thing by asking for the moon but it's a tremendous risk to bring him back. As of now, there's hope that he'll improve his shot and mentality over the summer. But if he opens the season in Philly and looks like the same player (offensively) his value is going to tank more than ever.

Siakam. A lot of smoke here. Maybe some in the locker room too.

Porzingis. It's funny how quickly many folks here turned on KP. The Luka + KP pick & roll was among the best in the league and KP had his best year offensively. But the injuries, defensive issues and reported malcontent are real. There's also the eye test. It just doesn't seem like Luka + KP mesh. 

McCollum. A top 10 shooting guard + Lillard gives Portland one of the best backcourts in the NBA but would they be better off pairing Dame with more talent in the front court? 

Turner. Defensive player of the Year candidate has been rumored to be on the move several years in a row. Does Carlisle think he can make it work with Sabonis?

Hield. Not an All Star but he's a starter on big money. Can shoot the lights out, like THJ on steroids.

Bojan Bogdanovich & Joe Ingles. Utah is looking to take the next step and both are rumored to be available.

Probably some others ... who am I missing?

You should start that thread as it can stimulate some good discussion as that is the goal of this site...

I wish more would take the time to start threads around here so the stigma of thread starting being frowned upon would go away...all we ask for is that the thread be appropriate for the forum section you put it in...

Is it better to be a thread starter, or a thread Finnisher?

(08-10-2021, 09:26 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]RE: Markkanen

I think he has a ton of potential and talent. I think he has even been a "solid" defender most of the time that won't destroy a team defense. But I also think he has underperformed to his talent level and there are some big questions around him.

I have no idea where this is coming from.  The advanced stats say he is bad at defense.  The scouting reports say he is bad at defense.  The eye test says he is bad at defense.  The fact that he got benched in Chicago for defensive limitations suggests he is bad at defense.  The evidence seems overwhelming.  He can't protect the rim, and he can't guard the perimeter particularly well.  For a team that is already struggling with defense, has plenty of shooting, needs playmaking, and probably already has too much cap devoted to the big rotation, he does not make a lot of sense.  The only reason to do this is if we can turn him into an asset, but I skeptical given suggested assets and cost.

(08-10-2021, 10:19 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Dragic AND Lauri both have said this. Which is kind of new for the Mavs.

It will be super interesting to see if their desires win out....

They are not the first to have said that. Just the first time the Mavs are seemingly listening unlike with Randle, Turner or Olynyk, when they´d rather chase Wright and re-sign Powell.

Literally a new foreign concept Nico might have introduced to Cuban. It´s easier to sign FAs that actually want to be in Dallas.

Markkanen, Dragic + one of Diallo or Hart would be an awesome off-season.

(08-10-2021, 10:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea where this is coming from.  The advanced stats say he is bad at defense.  The scouting reports say he is bad at defense.  The eye test says he is bad at defense.  The fact that he got benched in Chicago for defensive limitations suggests he is bad at defense.  The evidence seems overwhelming.  He can't protect the rim, and he can't guard the perimeter particularly well.  For a team that is already struggling with defense, has plenty of shooting, needs playmaking, and probably already has too much cap devoted to the big rotation, he does not make a lot of sense.  The only reason to do this is if we can turn him into an asset, but I skeptical given suggested assets and cost.

Outside of Luka/DFS, the rest of the team shot 15/74 from three (20%) over the last four play-off games against the Clippers. You better be hell a great at defense, if you want to win a seven game series with the 3rd to 10th best player shooting 20% from three. We need more offensive talent, too.

As we have seen with the Knicks a headcoach can make a hell of a difference for the team defense, but as the Knicks also learned in the play-offs, offensive talent matters most, and they did not have enough of it, so they added Walker/Fournier.

I have my doubts about both Dragic and Markkanen but they certainly fill our positions of need. They might not be perfect, but still better than nothing. I will assume Dragic will not get bought out and Markkanen wants 15 per (so doesn't fit in TPE). The one thing that would be off limits for me would be the FRP, but I wouldn't mind paying SRP and Green, as it doesn't look he will be able to get minutes anyway. 

I think it is easier to do it as two separate trades. I would like to keep Maxi but Powell and Reddick SnT can be movable contracts. TE could also be used.

Example 1:
trade 1: Powell+Burke+Terry+2 SRP for Dragic
trade 2: Chi - Green and SRP, OKC: Reddick Snt and 2 SRP, Dal: Markkanen

Example 2 - use TE:
trade 1: Reddick+2SRP for Dragic
trade 2: Dal: Lamb in TE, SRP, Ind: 0
trade 3: Dal: Markkanen, OKC: Lamb, 2 SRP, Chi: Green, SRP

(08-10-2021, 07:30 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Do you think Markannen is worth a FRP to Chi and whatever the third team would require?

My takeaway was that Markannen is going to be a Bull next year.

Absolutely not. Those hurdles essentially make a deal for Lauri nonexistent. CHI is overplaying their hand. Essentially they're forcing Markkanen to return on his 1 year QO deal, but in doing so they won't be able to trade him next year without his permission (and any team trading for him wouldn't get his bird rights). 

Markkanen will undoubtedly leave the following year in FA and I'm sure he won't be a nice guy in the locker room either. Bulls are delusional if they want to make a deal surrounding Lauri. Reading that Fisher piece I'm walking away with the idea that they actually might not want to make any deal.

Zach Lowe says the Sterling Brown deal is 2 years at 6 million fully guaranteed.

(08-10-2021, 10:33 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I have no idea where this is coming from.

2020-2021...
CHI D w/ LM: 109.9
CHI D w/o LM: 110.9
Net: +1.0

2019-2020...
CHI D w/ LM: 107.3
CHI D w/o LM: 108.4
Net: +1.1


2018-2019...
CHI D w/ LM: 112.3
CHI D w/o LM: 111.6
Net: -0.7


2017-2018...
CHI D w/ LM: 110.5
CHI D w/o LM: 108.4
Net: -2.1



So his rookie season was his worst, where CHI's D was significantly better when he sat. CHI was not much better when he sat his second year. And the last two years the CHI D has actually been better when LM played. And these are solid defensive teams the last two years with CHI ranking 9th and 12th in the league defensively. 

And when you look at RAPTOR-D and LEBRON-D advanced stats you see LM as a middle of the pack NBA defender as well.

Hence, I think I can say he is "solid" as an NBA team defender.

From what I get when I see Lauri playing defense is he is he lacks the lateral quickness, but KP isn't any better than Lauri on the perimeter. I would even give Lauri the edge over KP with regards to defending guards and small forwards.

We all know KP's biggest strength is in rim protection, even the most recent version of KP is a better rim protector than Lauri. But it's not really about KP's superior length that makes him better than LM. 

Lauri just doesn't even try.

Maybe that can be fixed with a new team, specially if that team has Dirk on it.

RE: Markkanen's D

To be clear... I am NOT suggesting he is a great defender. All I am suggesting is that in a four year sample size (which is quite big), he has NOT destroyed his team's D with his presence on the court and has helped his team at least "hold serve." This is pretty significant IMO.

(08-10-2021, 10:49 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Outside of Luka/DFS, the rest of the team shot 15/74 from three (20%) over the last four play-off games against the Clippers. You better be hell a great at defense, if you want to win a seven game series with the 3rd to 10th best player shooting 20% from three. We need more offensive talent, too.

As we have seen with the Knicks a headcoach can make a hell of a difference for the team defense, but as the Knicks also learned in the play-offs, offensive talent matters most, and they did not have enough of it, so they added Walker/Fournier.

Nice cherry picking.  Lets plan our long term asset moves on a 4 game sample.  And ignore they shot over 50% from 3 the first three games, or that they were playing freaking Boban in a zone in the last three games daring the best three point shooting team in the league to fire.  Take a look at the offensive and defensive rating during that series and tell me it was the offense that was the problem.

We just replaced JRich with Bullock in the starting lineup.  That should make a big difference in the shooting department

And if you are expecting Kidd to turn this group of players into an elite defense, prepare to be very disappointed.

(08-10-2021, 11:30 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]And if you are expecting Kidd to turn this group of players into an elite defense, prepare to be very disappointed.

I sure would like for him to move the team towards good team defense