(08-03-2021, 04:57 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]After all the moves, the only C on Chicago roster is Vucevic. If only there was a team with a surplus of centers of various contracts 
Also, only DeRozan and Williams could qualify as PF, but none really a pure one. Of course they can resign Markkanen.
(08-03-2021, 05:04 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]I'll play
Are we impatient? No. Hopefully the other teams trying to put together the trade get impatient first
Is this starting to feel like 2019? No. In 2021 I see evidence that we have a negotiator on the team.
+We got rid of JRich without giving up assets, in fact we got a tip.
+We haven't given out any future picks.
+We haven't traded any of our few valuable contracts in questionable moves.
I'm not saying this offseason is great but it looks like there is some structure to the value of picks and players so I'd say that is an improvement.
Nico is new, learning on the job and he was given a minefield to step through. I'm giving us a C so far.
I'd almost slam the MBT for this "center depth" shenanigans but I'm hoping that is public negotiating.
I’ll tell you one undeniable difference between this summer and the past few: this summer, when plans A-C didn’t look fruitful, they immediately pivoted on down their list.
Given the amount of grief this board has given the Mavericks about that, specific issue over the years I’d think a modicum of credit is warranted, even from some who aren’t happy with the results.
Happy with him or not, Bullock is exactly the type of player they have missed out on for the past few seasons.
It feels like Nico isn't going to let the Mavs "lose" trades. I appreciate that. At least break even. In the long run that adds up to a sizeable difference.
(08-03-2021, 05:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Happy with him or not, Bullock is exactly the type of player they have missed out on for the past few seasons.
Basically the Danny Green/ Pat Beverley type of guy that the Mavs failed to sign in the past. I guess that counts as an improvement.
(08-03-2021, 05:14 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Basically the Danny Green/ Pat Beverley type of guy that the Mavs failed to sign in the past. I guess that counts as an improvement.
Yeah, but aren’t you the guy who keeps pointing out that Jae Crowder would have been the difference between advancing or not this past season?
Well, here is just about the best version of that player available this summer. I’m not trying to say it’s the best signing ever, don’t get me wrong. But, I have to admit I’m a little excited about it.
(08-03-2021, 05:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, but aren’t you the guy who keeps pointing out that Jae Crowder would have been the difference between advancing or not this past season?
Well, here is just about the best version of that player available this summer. I’m not trying to say it’s the best signing ever, don’t get me wrong. But, I have to admit I’m a little excited about it.
I like the general direction and philosophy. More 3&D. Wing sized players. And against the Clippers all the Mavs needed was another wing defender that can shoot threes or a guy that can solve the trap. Don´t think that´s enough against the Bucks or Nets. No matter what the Mavs do this summer I don´t see a way to turn them into a top 5 team in the league. Dragic won´t change that. Even Lowry wouldn´t have changed that.
That´s why I supported a more longterm approach (just like in the last few seasons). Going after players that can play next to Luka for the next 3-5 years.
I still think the long-term play (unless we are involved in one of the other trades involving our TE) is to take on the biggest salary with the TPE and then work on a secondary trade later - Kemba Walker 3.0
Basically, this is how I see things:
1) since 2011, the Mavericks have been trying different versions of this more flexible approach to team building. I feel like there have been subtle changes to philosophy from within that approach, but mostly fans just refer to it as an all encompassing “plan powder.“ That’s fine.
2) I hated it in 2011, I hated it all the way through the years when Dirk couldn’t really play anymore, but I started to see the possibilities of it the second Luka was drafted. I felt that the opportunity for it to succeed increased exponentially with the generational superstar in place. But, like having a quarterback on his rookie contract in the NFL, the clock was ticking until this summer. At times I was happy the Mavs missed out on targets like Bullock, because I viewed the next opportunity for something better as a better path then some of the names everyone around here was infatuated with.
3) Had the KP trade and extension not been such a colossal failure (to this point), I think they might have done quite a bit better these last couple of seasons.
4) Alas, this approach was not successful, and I feel that’s pretty hard to argue at this point. They wanted to get another star next to Luka before his extension, and unless this is the best trade deadline ever, it doesn’t look like that is going to happen. That is a fail.
5) I believe this strategy came straight from Cuban, and if Harrison had replaced Donnie LAST SEASON, I think we would have seen them pass on guys like Bullock at that time, just like they did. I have no idea yet whether he would have made a difference with how successful they were at their primary targets.
6) Now that we are in the final off-season of cheap Luka, it seems clear that everyone realized that the time to plan for year to year space is over and so they made some deals. They aren’t super sexy deals, but I bet they were the best deals they could make. Who knows if this is an official long-term change or if they’ll just position themselves for the off-season of 2023 or whatever. I guess that all depends on where they go with Porzingis from here. But, they signed the best players they could.
7) I don’t think it’s the best off-season ever by any stretch of the imagination, and I think the overall plan from 2018 to now has to be viewed as a failure, but this off-season in a vacuum was actually a little bit better than I expected. I do see evidence that they went into the market place with a type of player in mind, and to me that is a good start.
8) I would think that the posters who have been most vocal about their displeasure for the approach over the past decade would be happier than they seem to be. These are not one year deals, they did not lowball people to preserve cap space for next summer. The players you wanted had better opportunities to play on teams they preferred in most cases. Or, maybe in some cases, the new Mavs management team just didn’t like those players as much as you did. But, the philosophy you hated seems to be fairly over, at least for the time being.
Anyone should feel free to call me on any of this if you think I am misinterpreting it. That’s just how I can justify being upset with the long term results but OK-ish with the last 48 hours. No use crying about it, imo.
(08-03-2021, 05:16 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, but aren’t you the guy who keeps pointing out that Jae Crowder would have been the difference between advancing or not this past season?
Well, here is just about the best version of that player available this summer. I’m not trying to say it’s the best signing ever, don’t get me wrong. But, I have to admit I’m a little excited about it.
This year’s Crowder = Caruso
No reason we shouldn’t have been in on that. Need more guys like that that can be in a playoff rotation
Guys can agree or disagree with moves Chicago GM did, but there is one thing it is certain. He gets things done. Chicago is a shitty team yet he managd ti convince both Ball and DeRozan to come.
(08-03-2021, 05:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Basically, this is how I see things:
1) since 2011, the Mavericks have been trying different versions of this more flexible approach to team building. I feel like there have been subtle changes to philosophy from within that approach, but mostly fans just refer to it as an all encompassing “plan powder.“ That’s fine.
2) I hated it in 2011, I hated it all the way through the years when Dirk couldn’t really play anymore, but I started to see the possibilities of it the second Luka was drafted. I felt that the opportunity for it to succeed increased exponentially with the generational superstar in place. But, like having a quarterback on his rookie contract in the NFL, the clock was ticking until this summer. At times I was happy the Mavs missed out on targets like Bullock, because I viewed the next opportunity for something better as a better path then some of the names everyone around here was infatuated with.
3) Had the KP trade and extension not been such a colossal failure (to this point), I think they might have done quite a bit better these last couple of seasons.
4) Alas, this approach was not successful, and I feel that’s pretty hard to argue at this point. They wanted to get another star next to Luka before his extension, and unless this is the best trade deadline ever, it doesn’t look like that is going to happen. That is a fail.
5) I believe this strategy came straight from Cuban, and if Harrison had replaced Donnie LAST SEASON, I think we would have seen them pass on guys like Bullock at that time, just like they did. I have no idea yet whether he would have made a difference with how successful they were at their primary targets. We never will.
6) Now that we are in the final off-season of cheap Luka, it seems clear that everyone realized that the time to plan for year to year space is over and so they made some deals. They aren’t super sexy deals, but I bet they were the best deals they could make. Who knows if this is an official long-term change or if they’ll just position themselves for the off-season of 2023 or whatever. I guess that all depends on where they go with Porzingis from here. But, they signed the best players they could.
7) I don’t think it’s the best off-season ever by any stretch of the imagination, and I think the overall plan from 2018 to now Hass to be viewed as a failure, but this off-season in a vacuum was actually a little bit better than I expected. I do see evidence that they went into the market place with a type of player in mind, and to me that is a good start.
8) I would think that the posters who have been most vocal about their displeasure for the approach over the past decade would be happier than they seem to be. These are not one year deals, they did not lowball people to preserve cap space for next summer. The players you wanted had better opportunities to play on teams they preferred in most cases. Or, maybe in some cases, the new Mavs management team just didn’t like those players as much as you did. But, the philosophy you hated seems to be fairly over, at least for the time being.
Anyone should feel free to call me on any of this if you think I am misinterpreting it. That’s just how I can justify being upset with the long term results but OK-ish with the last 48 hours. No use crying about it, imo.
I feel like we already made the Bullock step two years ago. We passed out several longer term contracts to DFS, Maxi, Curry, Powell and Wright. That was a break from previous philosophy. It would have been so much better with Dragic instead of Wright, but the concept of giving out 3 year roughly MLE level deals has already been done. Last year we did not have any cap to spend unless we dump THJ.
This was the last year to sign a real starter level contract. There were not a ton of great options, but even something like a Holmes/Graham offseason would have been ok. Instead we simply re-upped THJ and dumped JRich for air (which I fear we are not even going to spend). This does not feel any different than two years ago, and if they screw up the Dragic deal and don't use the TPE, it will actually feel worse.
(08-03-2021, 05:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]think the overall plan from 2018 to now Hass to be viewed as a failure,
That´s the main part for me. And it´s not Nico´s fault. Mavs handed him a car with a 500hp engine and told him to win the race but forgot to mention that three tires are missing.
After all the years of people telling me that this time it would be different when it comes to the big names we have reached the end of the pre max Luka journey and the best player the Mavs could add is Reggie Bullock. Not a bad player in a vacuum but looking at the Mavs roster needs not enough to make a big difference. Three offseasons. Two times with max or near max capspace. And nothing has changed. Is the current roster (even with another playmaker like Dragic) any better than the team that was eliminated in the first round two years ago?
(08-03-2021, 05:47 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I feel like we already made the Bullock step two years ago. We passed out several longer term contracts to DFS, Maxi, Curry, Powell and Wright.
DFS, Maxi and Powell were already on the team. Wright was an attempt at that defensive guard that we've wanted. Curry has the shooting but isn't a wing sized defender.
Bullock is different. He's a wing sized defender who is one of the best 3pt shooters in the league. And he's a starter level player. I don't think anyone that we've brought in over the last few years has been like Bullock.
(08-03-2021, 05:11 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]It feels like Nico isn't going to let the Mavs "lose" trades. I appreciate that. At least break even. In the long run that adds up to a sizeable difference.
Count me in, Terry and Green are very important pieces going forward at their salary slot given that Luka is getting the max next year.
The Raps can go pound sand thinking we will give up assets with low rookie wages.
I felt like the Heat overpaid for the Lowery sign and trade.
I would much rather us figure out a way to get Schroeder or someone else.
The Raps will buy him out midseason at some point IMO
(08-03-2021, 06:02 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/142...3948049409
I would love this signing, he resurrected himself in the playoffs. Good shooter and can play off the ball. He can also get his own shot.
I would support a move for Jackson