Kamm quickly changes the thread title because one of Fish’s minions (with 8k followers) says Miami is the leader with Lowry. Lol man.
(07-31-2021, 02:41 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]For $20M and 4 years $80M - that’s supposedly what he is looking for. I don’t understand what you’re wanting.. Fournier is an awful defender with a short wingspan and he is a poor playoff performer.
1) I would much rather have Fournier at 4yrs/$80M than Lowry at 3yrs/$90M.
2) Fournier's wingspan is 6'7.5"....Lowry's is 6'2".... so let's not talk about "short wingspan."
3) Lowry has been a negative defender for the last two years (really poor last year). Fournier's defense numnbers in ORL weren't good, but a large part of that was the wings who would play in his place were GOOD defenders. In BOS Fournier's defensive impact was -0.3, so the team broke even with his D. Solid stuff.
(07-31-2021, 02:55 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]1) I would much rather have Fournier at 4yrs/$80M than Lowry at 3yrs/$90M.
2) Fournier's wingspan is 6'7.5"....Lowry's is 6'2".... so let's not talk about "short wingspan."
3) Lowry has been a negative defender for the last two years (really poor last year). Fournier's defense numnbers in ORL weren't good, but a large part of that was the wings who would play in his place were GOOD defenders. In BOS Fournier's defensive impact was -0.3, so the team broke even with his D. Solid stuff.
4) Boston enjoyed having him so much they'd rather trade for JOSH RICHARDSON (!!!!!!) than pony up dough to keep him.
I'm a little tongue-in-cheek here, because I'd be fine with adding Fournier. I like him a little.
But, I think we're officially underrating what Lowry brings to the table at this point.
(07-31-2021, 02:55 PM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]Kamm quickly changes the thread title because one of Fish’s minions (with 8k followers) says Miami is the leader with Lowry. Lol man.
Whatever.
There were multiple reports yesterday saying that MIA would likely have pole position because of Lowry's relationship to Jimmy Butler.
(07-31-2021, 02:57 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I think we're officially underrating what Lowry brings to the table at this point.
My issue with Lowry is 100% years (give me 2 not 3) and price (give me $20M not $30M).
I don't know who the mods are around here, but...
...this Live Thread stuff is actually making me have to manually refresh MORE, not less. Great thought and great attempt to keep things improving around here, but my vote is no on that one.
(07-31-2021, 03:01 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]My issue with Lowry is 100% years (give me 2 not 3) and price (give me $20M not $30M).
Yeah, that would be better, for sure.
(07-31-2021, 03:02 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ].this Live Thread stuff is actually making me have to manually refresh MORE, not less. Great thought and great attempt to keep things improving around here, but my vote is no on that one.
There is a benefit though to knowing WHEN you need to refresh, rather than endless refreshing, hoping something pops up.
So I'm spending the day going back and forth between here, waiting for big Mavs news, and the Youtube channel "Police Activity". I guess we'll find out soon if this offseason is a train wreck.
(This video is NUTS!!!!!!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9uUU6-F2Ug
(07-31-2021, 03:02 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...7106779147
HERE'S a "conspiracy dot connection" for you, @"Kammrath":
What if the Lowry interest is all just a way to force Miami to have to renounce Dragic, rather than search for ways to negotiate a sign and trade with Toronto that would allow them to keep Dragic?
Haha, probably not.
For me, any and all offseasons that the Mavs do will be of the "Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" variety if KP suits up for us in November. It's just a matter of degree. I don't give a rat's flaming ass how low his trade value is right now. It's Mt. Everest in comparison to how low it will be if he gets hurt.
Miami had the hots for Lowry back in 2017 free agency too. Do people really see Lowry as wanting to play with Luka? That is not a slight to Luka at all, just more of the same obstacles we had with Dirk + prospective FA's in the past.
Lowry is "one of the boys." Him meshing with the Butler's or even Zion's of the world make more sense to me. And not every ballhandler wants to reduce their touches. He can mostly run the show in NO/MIA. Food for thought.
(07-31-2021, 03:36 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]Do people really see Lowry as wanting to play with Luka?
Yeah, this is one of the first things I thought of when the Lowry stuff started, too. I'm sure he already has great relationships with other guys, like Butler.
(07-31-2021, 02:47 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]I've been a Justise Winslow fan for a long time now. When healthy, he is a perfect fit on this team; definitely another buy low candidate; those are the type of players I hope we target. He could have a bounceback Batum-esque season.
Yeah I’m all in, too. Still only 25. If he’s healthy he’s our best non-Luka wing player. I’d certainly take a chance on him.
That's going to be the issue for the next few years, if we're looking at things realistically. I do not think established vets will want to sign with Dallas to pin their hopes on playing with a young player who is still 5 years away from his prime.
As great as Luka is now, NBA players still know the circle of life and you can't skip experience in the league (ex: MJ, LeBron, Giannis not winning championships until many years in the league).
A player that is 30 or older now realizes that it's better to join a team with another veteran star since their window is much shorter than Luka's right now.
The DeRozan to the Lakers story is interesting. It could just be basketball media thinking the Lakers/LeBron deserve everything or it could be some of the horseshit that they always seem to get gifted.
If that did happen and putting my interest and the Mavs interest aside, I do wonder if leaving the Lakers would be more attractive for THT if a team promised him a bigger role. I also wonder if there is something that could work out to said team and the Lakers who will be tight on money for free agent signings.
Regarding Brunson being used to dump Powell, I don't think that is enough compensation and I don't think that is smart asset management. If you can't get something attractive for Brunson now, there is always the trade deadline. Injuries happen or a would-be contender could be looking for a little extra sugar.
Regarding WCS, I just don't get it. 10% of the time he looks like a world beater, 40% of the time he looks like a rotational big, 50% of the time he looks like he should be out of the league. We have this pu pu platter of big men, none that rebound particularly well, and none that our stat enough to deal with the few more traditional centers in the league. Just feels like we could come up with a better pu pu platter.
Here is where we stand
Option 1: Lowry S&T for a combination of Kleber, Powell, Brunson and draft assets, ability to retain THJ + MLE + TPE.
Option 2: Lowry outright into capspace, lose TPE + MLE + THJ.
Option 3: TPE + MLE + THJ
Option 4: 15-18M player(s) into capspace + THJ
I just don´t see any way that Option 2 comes even close to Options 3 and 4 in terms of overall talent. So the only way Lowry lands here is Option 1. That would tie us down, until we have actually won the signature from Lowry AND negotiated a deal with Toronto. How good are those odds of success? How big would the talent upgrade over Options 3+4 be, in case of success?
I´m just not sure the (emphasis on: ) new MBT wants to do that and risk losing out on THJ and all the potential TPE/MLE targets.
(07-31-2021, 03:51 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Here is where we stand
Option 1: Lowry S&T for a combination of Kleber, Powell, Brunson and draft assets, ability to retain THJ + MLE + TPE.
Option 2: Lowry outright into capspace, lose TPE + MLE + THJ.
Option 3: TPE + MLE + THJ
Option 4: 15-18M player(s) into capspace + THJ
I just don´t see any way that Option 2 comes even close to Options 3 and 4 in terms of overall talent. So the only way Lowry lands here is Option 1. That would tie us down, until we have actually won the signature from Lowry AND negotiated a deal with Toronto. How good are those odds of success? How big would the talent upgrade over Options 3+4 be, in case of success?
I´m just not sure the (emphasis on: ) new MBT wants to do that and risk losing out on THJ and all the potential TPE/MLE targets.
Option 1 would be a serious overhaul of the roster - not sure I see that. Isn’t there another option where part of cap space is used in a sign-and-trade for Lowry (e.g. Powell + pick[s]) and the remaining space is used on THJ, leaving the Mavs with the rMLE and vet mins.
(07-31-2021, 03:51 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Here is where we stand
Option 1: Lowry S&T for a combination of Kleber, Powell, Brunson and draft assets, ability to retain THJ + MLE + TPE.
We can do Option 1 without Lowry.