(07-28-2021, 05:22 PM)wmffl87 Wrote: [ -> ]wait...WAT
I like Ingles better than Kuzma as well.
Although as great as Lebron is to play with, he can also be difficult to play with. You need to play his style. He will give you opportunities but it can still be hard. There have been other young Lakers who found their footing when they left the Lebron bubble. Kuzma did flash before Lebron got there was a time where there was a debate with Ingram vs. Ball vs. Kuzma. There may be some teams who think he just needs a change of scenery.
(07-28-2021, 06:51 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]What? His player option decision isn't until this Sunday, genius.
They could extend him now though. That's what Hollinger is alluding to. Sarver is being Sarver hoping that he opts into his final year so he doesn't have to extend him multiple years. I wouldn't be surprised to see CP3 opt out and try to get one more 2+1 deal to get a title.
If he were to opt out I would offer him a deal in a heartbeat. It would take a huge load off of him playing next to Luka and it would give you basically 2 of the best PGs out there on the floor every night. You could rest him to make sure he's completely healthy for the POs.
(07-28-2021, 04:12 PM)Jakeospikez Wrote: [ -> ]Reggie Jackson has early bird rights with the Clippers, so he can get MLE money from them. Definitely won't leave that situation for the MLE. They may just be running it back with their squad with hopes of getting Kawhi back as they go into the playoffs though so he may just be unavailable period. Maybe just lose Batum.
I see Kawhi taking time with his ACL. Wouldn't be surprised if it will be two years.
Snippet from a back and forth conversation with John Hollinger this morning on the Athletic
Quote:From everything I’ve been told, they are going to pursue Kawhi Leonard and then, once the door is slammed in their face, pivot to a hard pursuit of Lowry. I think he makes sense for them as a target because he couldn’t possibly fit better, and the worry about his age isn’t as strong for me because the Mavs plus Lowry are plausibly good enough to contend … especially in a West with no obvious front-runner.
Re-signing Hardaway and signing Goran Dragic with MLE money would be significantly less exciting to me. Dragic is also 35 and he lost a lot of juice last year. I think he’s a nice backup at this point but I’m not sure you’re getting more from him than you are from Jalen Brunson. From a playoff perspective, you’re running it back but not really fixing anything.
This is a pretty lame free-agent market and that might end up being their best option, but I would look pretty hard at some other options (Spencer Dinwiddie, notably, or perhaps Lonzo Ball) before resigning myself to that path.
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(07-29-2021, 07:21 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Snippet from a back and forth conversation with John Hollinger this morning on the Athletic
From everything I’ve been told, they are going to pursue Kawhi Leonard and then, once the door is slammed in their face, pivot to a hard pursuit of Lowry. I think he makes sense for them as a target because he couldn’t possibly fit better, and the worry about his age isn’t as strong for me because the Mavs plus Lowry are plausibly good enough to contend … especially in a West with no obvious front-runner.
Re-signing Hardaway and signing Goran Dragic with MLE money would be significantly less exciting to me. Dragic is also 35 and he lost a lot of juice last year. I think he’s a nice backup at this point but I’m not sure you’re getting more from him than you are from Jalen Brunson. From a playoff perspective, you’re running it back but not really fixing anything.
This is a pretty lame free-agent market and that might end up being their best option, but I would look pretty hard at some other options (Spencer Dinwiddie, notably, or perhaps Lonzo Ball) before resigning myself to that path.
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Hollinger notes the Richardson Trade value will be interesting. He says someone may have an interest in his 11 million salary but you may need to wait until the music stops in free agency, so timing is a problem. By then, Hardaway may have found another opportunity.
He says moving Powell (and possibly Trey Burke) is another way to create $. Mentions Hardaway at 12-15 million. I think that is low. He says Mavs would need to attach something desirable to get off Powell and Burke. They mention Brunson. Man, I would dislike moving Brunson to get off Burke and Powell.
(07-29-2021, 08:03 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Man, I would dislike moving Brunson to get off Burke and Powell.
In terms of asset management of Brunson in a vacuum, yeah, that would sting.
In terms of next year's team, if Lowry is here? Less of a sting, I suppose.
(07-29-2021, 08:07 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]In terms of asset management of Brunson in a vacuum, yeah, that would sting.
In terms of next year's team, if Lowry is here? Less of a sting, I suppose.
I tend to get attached to our young prospects, so I may go overboard. Jalen is a little different. He is good. In fact, I think he may be more important if we get Lowry. He can settle into a 22-25 minute player and take some load off Lowry, if he signed here. In two years, he may be able to fill what Lowry provides. That is asking a lot because Jalen is more limited physically, but he made a big jump this past year. Does he have another jump or a half jump left in his development.
Going back to the young prospects, I will be very disappointed if they need to move Green or Terry to free up a little room. I know we have new leadership, but both Green and Terry were future picks when the picks were made. Right now if you trade them, you are probably getting very little value back. I hope we ride out the time and let them develop. Even if a guy like Terry probably isn't going to help next year.
(07-29-2021, 08:20 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I tend to get attached to our young prospects, so I may go overboard. Jalen is a little different. He is good. In fact, I think he may be more important if we get Lowry. He can settle into a 22-25 minute player and take some load off Lowry, if he signed here. In two years, he may be able to fill what Lowry provides. That is asking a lot because Jalen is more limited physically, but he made a big jump this past year. Does he have another jump or a half jump left in his development.
Going back to the young prospects, I will be very disappointed if they need to move Green or Terry to free up a little room. I know we have new leadership, but both Green and Terry were future picks when the picks were made. Right now if you trade them, you are probably getting very little value back. I hope we ride out the time and let them develop. Even if a guy like Terry probably isn't going to help next year.
Agree that Brunson is good and getting better all the time.
Agree that all four rookies acquired last year were intriguing for the
future. I can't believe people are down on them just because they couldn't play much in year one.
But, as you said, it's a new leadership team, and I bet they're itching to make some moves. There are only so many "don't give up on him" spots you can hold with that attitude. At least one of those 5 guys will not be here next year.
Hollinger also has another article that spitfires ideas. He mentions New Orleans. Because their trade with Memphis is not completed, he said they could try to expand it into a three team trade where NO can take back a player making up to 29 million. He mentions Lowry here.
He then goes on to talk about doing a sign and trade with Lonzo if this happened to get something back as they wouldn't need Lonzo. The would still have their MLE and could also keep Hart.
I am not sure if this three team scattershoot would still bring them Jonas or if he would go somewhere else. It doesn't really mention him.
Very interesting. There is a lot of complex discussions out there.
Also mentions there is a lot of Brogdon chatter out there. Talks about how chatter says the magic really like Ziare Williams (Stanford) but # 8 is way to early for him. Says they may be able to move down with memphis, San Antonio or Indiana. He then says it may be a better idea to move Terrence Ross and pick 33 to the Knicks for #19. Says Knicks are looking to move up for a guy who can help now (Duarte possibly), but if they can't it may be best to take Ross and keep pick 21 plus 33.
(07-29-2021, 08:20 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I tend to get attached to our young prospects, so I may go overboard. Jalen is a little different. He is good. In fact, I think he may be more important if we get Lowry. He can settle into a 22-25 minute player and take some load off Lowry, if he signed here. In two years, he may be able to fill what Lowry provides. That is asking a lot because Jalen is more limited physically, but he made a big jump this past year. Does he have another jump or a half jump left in his development.
Going back to the young prospects, I will be very disappointed if they need to move Green or Terry to free up a little room. I know we have new leadership, but both Green and Terry were future picks when the picks were made. Right now if you trade them, you are probably getting very little value back. I hope we ride out the time and let them develop. Even if a guy like Terry probably isn't going to help next year.
I like Brunson as a player, but I have read people thinking he can develop into a FVV or Lowry. I don't see him ever getting to that point. His defense is bad and has never improved. He will never be an elite defender, and right now it does not look like he will ever make it to average. He will always be hunted in the starting unit. Also, his offense is effective against second units, but he has a lot of issue replicating that against quality starting defenses. This is something I could see him improving, but don't know if he will ever be elite in this area. I feel like he will always be capped as a quality rotational player that you can't really put into the starting lineup (do to defensive limitations). Add to that he is going to become a UFA in a year, and I could probably live with using him to dump Powell and Burke, assuming what we get with that cap space is worth it.
The team’s reported goal this summer is to re-sign Tim Hardaway Jr. while wooing Kyle Lowry. If Lowry opted for Miami, it probably makes Goran Dragic available as a fallback option and a secondary shot creator they desperately need. I think that would be a tidy, effective summer if they could get both done. Do you see it as a plausible scenario?
Hollinger: From everything I’ve been told, they are going to pursue Kawhi Leonard and then, once the door is slammed in their face, pivot to a hard pursuit of Lowry. I think he makes sense for them as a target because he couldn’t possibly fit better, and the worry about his age isn’t as strong for me because the Mavs plus Lowry are plausibly good enough to contend … especially in a West with no obvious front-runner.
Hollinger: Richardson’s trade value will be an interesting question given that the Mavs are playing against the clock. Somebody may have a need for him at $11 million once the music stops on free agency, but the timing is a problem. By that point, Hardaway may have already found another suitor as well.
As you point out, moving off Powell (and possibly Trey Burke too) is another way to get enough money to keep Hardaway and still reel in a major free agent, as long as Hardaway’s price stays in the $12-15 million range. However, the Mavs need to attach something desirable to get that done and don’t have draft picks to burn.
I think Brunson is a good call here. He has one year left at the minimum, so his contract is a huge win right now and it gives him some trade value. But the Mavs would already have Lowry and could sign another guard with their room exception once they were done dealing, so that might be their least-bad option … especially since keeping Brunson beyond this year would likely be problematic.
(07-29-2021, 08:03 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ] Man, I would dislike moving Brunson to get off Burke and Powell.
In a vacuum, getting off of Powell's remaining two years is probably fair value for Brunson. We'd need to resign him next offseason and I honestly have no idea what he's worth. Jalen had a great season but his athleticism is always going to limit his ceiling. I just don't see him as a starter and definitely not next to Luka because of that pairings defensive decencies. I guess it just depends what we can accomplish with Powell's salary.
Otherwise, I'm still hoping New York misses on PG free agents and comes calling. Mitchell Robinson + a tip sure would be nice or reclaiming our 2023 pick sure would be nice.
Lowry? Dragic? How awful. Small, overrated, and in decline. They aren’t Chris Paul, that’s for sure. If you’re looking to pair Luka with an old man point guard for some reason, how about thinking a little outside the box? One name I haven’t heard connected to the Mavs: Derrick Rose, who just had a great season and maybe the market hasn’t fully caught up to his value. And Batum would be a great finishing touch. He’s excellent and a perfect role player for the modern game. Rose and Batum would be some great GMing.
But, no matter what, I’m shaking my head at the lunacy of paying Lowery $30 million and Dragic another $10-$15 million. Please, no.
(07-29-2021, 01:17 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Lowry? Dragic? How awful. Small, overrated, and in decline. They aren’t Chris Paul, that’s for sure. If you’re looking to pair Luka with an old man point guard for some reason, how about thinking a little outside the box? One name I haven’t heard connected to the Mavs: Derrick Rose, who just had a great season and maybe the market hasn’t fully caught up to his value. And Batum would be a great finishing touch. He’s excellent and a perfect role player for the modern game. Rose and Batum would be some great GMing.
But, no matter what, I’m shaking my head at the lunacy of paying Lowery $30 million and Dragic another $10-$15 million. Please, no.
With all the sexual misconduct on the Mavs business side, the Kidd hire got a lot of side eye from the media. I can't imagine what adding Rose to the mix would do. It's good out of the box thinking though. Rose's name has not really come up much.
I'd really enjoy the Mavs to buy low on Buddy Hield. He seems to be way underrated, get his wet three pointer on board rn