Per ESPN's Brian Windhorst Pelicans president of basketball operations David Griffin is hoping to make a "huge offer" to Kyle Lowry "in an effort to import the type of leadership that Chris Paul brought to the Suns last year in morphing them into contenders."
Trying to catch up with the board. Has it been brought up that THJ and Lowry are both represented by the same agency?
Terrence Davis got a QO from the Kings...
(07-27-2021, 05:32 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You don't see any chance that he makes this team tougher, mentally?
Does he make the team better? Probably. Does he make the team a contender? Absolutely not. He's 35, will be 36 during the season. When this team is ready to contend, he'll be retired. There is no future in Lowry. Maxi, DFS and Brunson have progressed nicely in the organization as is and for the most part, those guys are old enough and have been in the league long enough to know who they are (fringe starters, quality bench role players). If you want to unlock the teams potential and throw money at an old dude, might as well see if CP3 turns you down first. Lowry probably has more legs in him but if you want a "win" as far as landing a big free agent, CP3 is a much bigger name and better relationship league wide (players/agents). In reality, we don't have the foundation for either guy.
You could probably talk me into this if it was a S&T and we ditched Powell but we'd need to give up too much for that to be a reality.
If this is all true, we better hope KP can turn around his career as a Mav.
THJ is Dwight Powell all over again. Let's hope the contract isn't stupid.
(07-27-2021, 06:02 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Per ESPN's Brian Windhorst Pelicans president of basketball operations David Griffin is hoping to make a "huge offer" to Kyle Lowry "in an effort to import the type of leadership that Chris Paul brought to the Suns last year in morphing them into contenders."
Let´s go Griffin. Splash the cash.
(07-27-2021, 06:02 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Per ESPN's Brian Windhorst Pelicans president of basketball operations David Griffin is hoping to make a "huge offer" to Kyle Lowry "in an effort to import the type of leadership that Chris Paul brought to the Suns last year in morphing them into contenders."
I have a sickening feeling in my stomach that we aren't going to be able to open up enough cap space and thus will be outbid by NO for Lowry and we're ultimately going to end up with Dinwiddie or Schroeder.
(07-27-2021, 06:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to catch up with the board. Has it been brought up that THJ and Lowry are both represented by the same agency?
Nope. Haven't seen it yet.
(07-27-2021, 06:30 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]I have a sickening feeling in my stomach that we aren't going to be able to open up enough cap space and thus will be outbid by NO for Lowry and we're ultimately going to end up with Dinwiddie or Schroeder.
While I'm not a big fan of Dinwiddie or Schro, David Griffin in NOLA seems to be operating as a DESPERATE GM: probably both to keep his job and to keep Zion from asking out. Outbidding him for Lowry (if money is the deciding factor) might end up being worse.
I'll once again say I really like Lowry but he could be Kemba or Al Horford just as easily as CP3.
(07-27-2021, 06:13 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/FearTheSword/status/...61760?s=20
Larry Nance Jr. catching lobs from Luka interests me.
(07-27-2021, 06:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to catch up with the board. Has it been brought up that THJ and Lowry are both represented by the same agency?
Just agents using Mavs as leverage? Or something else?
I like Lowry, but not for a guaranteed 3 years at the numbers being thrown around. I guess I’d have to see how the deal came together before casting final judgement, but I’m not thrilled because I doubt he puts us over the top and probably won’t be a valuable trade asset once the contract is signed.
Now if NO is desperate to shake things up and ends up with Lowry, then decides to swap us Ingram for KP so we can then work with the rest of our cap space, I’ll be a very happy camper.
(07-27-2021, 05:25 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Disagreeing with the strategy doesn't equal whining. Lowry is a cherry on top move and we only have one scoop of ice cream. Shouldn't you be having imaginary poker games with Bob V?
Luka, the most gigantic "scoop of ice cream" of all-time.
(07-27-2021, 06:12 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Trying to catch up with the board. Has it been brought up that THJ and Lowry are both represented by the same agency?
No. In that case, if Lowry doesn't come here, then THJ doesn't get his Wes Matthews deal from us, either.
(07-27-2021, 08:34 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Luka, the most gigantic "scoop of ice cream" of all-time.
Four questions: Yeah? And? So? What?
Teams win championships, not individuals.
(07-27-2021, 08:34 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Luka, the most gigantic "scoop of ice cream" of all-time.
No. In that case, if Lowry doesn't come here, then THJ doesn't get his Wes Matthews deal from us, either.
Seems like THJ + Lowry is a package deal, so that is an advantage over NOP.
(07-27-2021, 08:38 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Four questions: Yeah? And? So? What?
Teams win championships, not individuals.
My point was that I firmly believe you are underrating Luka quite a bit in failing to recognize how close he puts us to contention - all. By. Himself. A single player of Lowry's quality might be enough to push it over the top. You're welcome to scoff at that, and I'll scoff right back at you. Look at what Luka almost accomplished in the first round with the help of DFS and a cast of clowns. Look at what he is doing (so far) with Slovenia. Don't underestimate him.
(07-26-2021, 07:30 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/07/sout...rnets.html
Of course Collins might be able to still force them to max him.
I looked into the #s a while back and posted about it. They offered him like 90 mill before the season and his max was like 124.
I suggested that a logical deal could be a max deal but with no raises or declining deal. I was hoping maybe the Mavs could do that deal.
Seems like that might be the route they go with Collins. Logically it makes sense. You meet his market but maybe don't kill his future trade value.
(07-27-2021, 11:14 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Giving Lowry 90/3 would be so Mavericks. New GM, same as the old GM.
Is this the moment I point out that Lowry is 34 years old and the Raptors were 12-6 without him last season, when they were still trying in the early part of the season.
I just hope it´s a misdirect and Stein gets the legit scoops on the actual signings in exchange.
Also like to point out that Stein is now a freelancer and he has to pump up the volume to generate his income.
That's a bit unfair to Stein. His stuff now is the same it was with the NYT. He's just on his own thing right now for the time being. He's doing it all free too via newsletter.
(07-27-2021, 08:45 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My point was that I firmly believe you are underrating Luka quite a bit in failing to recognize how close he puts us to contention - all. By. Himself. A single player of Lowry's quality might be enough to push it over the top. You're welcome to scoff at that, and I'll scoff right back at you. Look at what Luka almost accomplished in the first round with the help of DFS and a cast of clowns. Look at what he is doing (so far) with Slovenia. Don't underestimate him.
Yes, he has back to back first round exits all. By. Himself. We are more than one signing away from having a team that can compete for a championship which makes spending all of our cap on a guy on his last legs confounding. Expecting Luka to do it all. By. Himself. is a great way to see him on another team in a few years.
I'm also not underestimating him but this is real life, not NBA2K.
(07-27-2021, 08:45 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Look at what Luka almost accomplished in the first round with the help of DFS and a cast of clowns.
THJ gets no respect around here
So Lowry isn't my top choice by any means.....
But seeing how desperate teams are to get Lowry is really interesting. Dallas will have no issue flipping him during the year. He immediately becomes a major asset assuming their is no 3rd year or it's not fully guaranteed.
The rumors that Dallas is looking to clear additional cap space is really interesting.
~112 mill cap. Dallas has ~22 mill of cap space not factoring cap holds. Remove Richardson and it goes up to ~34, remove Powell it goes up to 45. Remove WCS and it goes to just under 50. Split that between Hardaway and Lowry.
You could almost do a 2 for 70 type deal for Lowry if THJ is around 15 mill.
I think contingency plans are being discussed of what to do with Richardson if he opts in, and also looking to move Powell to clear the cap space. Unless it's Maxi.
I don't think Dallas wants to do a KP Lowry SNT. And it's going to be difficult and costly to SNT for Lowry on a sizable deal for the Mavs without including KP. Thus the cap space route. Because they want to retain THJ too. Which this all makes sense. THJ would probably be coming off the bench if they get another guard.