(07-30-2021, 10:47 AM)Hogmelon Wrote: [ -> ]If all three of the above were viable options for the Mavs, how would you (Bueller, anyone) rank them?
Paul
Lowry
Conley
I just don’t think Conley’s body is going to hold up for long. I know he’s the youngest of the 3, but that hamstring had him missing 5/11 of the Utah playoff games and he had a procedure done 3 years ago to smooth his heel bone because of Achilles pain:
https://apnews.com/article/e84c8bdb75184...3fb3753191.
I trust Lowry the most to physically sustain through the life of the contract. I know a lot will disagree.
From Stein, sounds like more free agency pain for the Dallas Mavericks:
“Miami, Dallas and New Orleans will be at the forefront of the pursuit for Toronto’s Kyle Lowry once free-agent negotiations are permissible at 6 p.m. ET on Monday. Lowry is the top target for all three teams. The Heat would appear to have a recruiting advantage through Lowry’s close relationship with Miami star Jimmy Butler.”
(07-30-2021, 11:15 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]From Stein, sounds like more free agency pain for the Dallas Mavericks:
“Miami, Dallas and New Orleans will be at the forefront of the pursuit for Toronto’s Kyle Lowry once free-agent negotiations are permissible at 6 p.m. ET on Monday. Lowry is the top target for all three teams. The Heat would appear to have a recruiting advantage through Lowry’s close relationship with Miami star Jimmy Butler.”
So we are down to hoping that the new MBT (and Stein) have been pumping out misinformation for the last week or the new plan is the same as the decade long failure old plan just with different people under the big boss.
Can Miami clear enough cap space to meet his salary desires? Can the Mavs out recruit the Pelicans?
(07-30-2021, 11:52 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Can Miami clear enough cap space to meet his salary desires?
Very difficult. If they would lef all of their FA go, than yes. But this would leave them with 6 players only. And I guess you don't really want to let Robinson and or Nunn walk (each has 4 mil caphold). SnT is best option. But then, why would Toronto want to take Dragic or Iggy at their current contracts. Sure they can package sokmething, but I guess it will not be easy.
(07-30-2021, 11:52 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Can Miami clear enough cap space to meet his salary desires? Can the Mavs out recruit the Pelicans?
Miami definitely can - decline team options on Iggy and Dragic, renounce rights on Oladipo.
I think he’s going to the Heat. The player relationships generally matter the most.
Mavs better have a solid back-up plan or we might be looking at them basically running it back, which would be a massive failure IMO.
I guess the question for the Pelicans would be, can they offer such a huge contract that he'd forgo Miami?
(07-30-2021, 11:15 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]From Stein, sounds like more free agency pain for the Dallas Mavericks:
“Miami, Dallas and New Orleans will be at the forefront of the pursuit for Toronto’s Kyle Lowry once free-agent negotiations are permissible at 6 p.m. ET on Monday. Lowry is the top target for all three teams. The Heat would appear to have a recruiting advantage through Lowry’s close relationship with Miami star Jimmy Butler.”
(07-30-2021, 11:48 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]So we are down to hoping that the new MBT (and Stein) have been pumping out misinformation for the last week or the new plan is the same as the decade long failure old plan just with different people under the big boss.
1. How certain are you that "Lowry is [really] the top target" for the Mavs?
2. How certain are you that Lowry at $90,000,000 for three years is such an earth-shakingly fantabulous deal that the thought of missing out on it is worth all your hand-wringing and über-angst?
3. If the Heat really "have a recruiting advantage through Lowry’s close relationship with Miami star Jimmy Butler," exactly
WTF do you want the Mavs to do about it?
(07-30-2021, 12:02 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I guess the question for the Pelicans would be, can they offer such a huge contract that he'd forgo Miami?
My guess is that 3/$90 million is the New Orleans price, and
possibly the Dallas price, but that the Mavs will very likely not offer that. And, I'm almost positive Miami won't offer that. I bet Miami and Dallas both offer two year deals, probably at lower numbers, and Lowry's decision ends up being "the bag, or a playoff team?"
Very similar to Gallinari from last time around, only on a bigger scale.
I don't feel comfortable predicting the result, though. My gut tells me Riley will pants the Mavs here, but then again we've never seen Harrison go after anyone before. And, Zion/New Orleans actually
could be a good team if they add Lowry, so that
might be enough for him to talk himself into taking the bag, which he probably secretly wants to do, anyway.
Pretty excited to see this one play out.
(07-30-2021, 12:13 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that 3/$90 million is the New Orleans price, and possibly the Dallas price, but that the Mavs will very likely not offer that. And, I'm almost positive Miami won't offer that. I bet Miami and Dallas both offer two year deals, probably at lower numbers, and Lowry's decision ends up being "the bag, or a playoff team?"
Very similar to Gallinari from last time around, only on a bigger scale.
I don't feel comfortable predicting the result, though. My gut tells me Riley will pants the Mavs here, but then again we've never seen Harrison go after anyone before. And, Zion/New Orleans actually could be a good team if they add Lowry, so that might be enough for him to talk himself into taking the bag, which he probably secretly wants to do, anyway.
Pretty excited to see this one play out.
I thought I read Pelicans were going "all in" and could offer him 36m per. I might be misremembering.
Miami has the recruiting advantage, location advantage and talent advantage. Pels might have the money advantage. Dallas has Luka.
It's going to be very interesting but I hope this is smoke from the Mavs perspective.
(07-30-2021, 12:13 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]My guess is that 3/$90 million is the New Orleans price, and possibly the Dallas price, but that the Mavs will very likely not offer that. And, I'm almost positive Miami won't offer that. I bet Miami and Dallas both offer two year deals, probably at lower numbers, and Lowry's decision ends up being "the bag, or a playoff team?"
Very similar to Gallinari from last time around, only on a bigger scale.
I don't feel comfortable predicting the result, though. My gut tells me Riley will pants the Mavs here, but then again we've never seen Harrison go after anyone before. And, Zion/New Orleans actually could be a good team if they add Lowry, so that might be enough for him to talk himself into taking the bag, which he probably secretly wants to do, anyway.
Pretty excited to see this one play out.
I hope you're right because 90/3 is just plain stupid.
(07-30-2021, 12:17 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I thought I read Pelicans were going "all in" and could offer him 36m per. I might be misremembering.
Miami has the recruiting advantage, location advantage and talent advantage. Pels might have the money advantage. Dallas has Luka.
It's going to be very interesting but I hope this is smoke from the Mavs perspective.
I don’t really think Miami has the talent advantage.
(07-30-2021, 12:18 PM)haveitall Wrote: [ -> ]I hope you're right because 90/3 is just plain stupid.
I think it would be pretty insane to have Lowry here on that deal AND KP here on the same deal, for the same length, basically.
I wouldn't be upset with Lowry here on that deal
instead of KP, however. There's just so much we don't know about the plan yet.
(07-30-2021, 12:20 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I think it would be pretty insane to have Lowry here on that deal AND KP here on the same deal, for the same length, basically.
I wouldn't be upset with Lowry here on that deal instead of KP, however. There's just so much we don't know about the plan yet.
I'm pretty firm on the trade KP camp but I'd rather have KP if it was an either/or situation.
(07-30-2021, 12:24 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty firm on the trade KP camp but I'd rather have KP if it was an either/or situation.
That's fair, and opinions vary, but imo:
Lowry will play way more games over the life of those contracts (WAY more). He'll be a leader on the team, not an anchor in the locker room. He'll be a plus on defense at times, and at worst won't be nearly the negative I expect KP to continue being. He fits in with a Doncic-led offense much better.
But, we're all just speculating here.