(08-06-2021, 12:13 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]He just might agree to it if the 3rd year is unguaranteed. Gives him a chance to enter the loaded 2023 FA class where a lot of teams will have money to blow.
FGump pointed out that 3 year deal with the last year being unguaranteed is legal. I just don't think Lauri is interested in that. After Dan's excellent breakdown of how it's possible for the Mavs to get 9.5M still leaves me wondering if there was a way to get just a bit more to make it more palatable for Lauri to take a temporary discount.
He's running out of palatable options at this point financially.
(08-06-2021, 12:03 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe I'm missing your aim here (is this sarcasm?) but I'd say it's a kind of evidence to the contrary, though on such a small scale it doesn't really move the needle on my opinion of him.
I think I recall seeing something about how Brown had to come back to make the trade legal (but I'm not a cap expert and could be remembering wrongly).
(08-06-2021, 12:13 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]He just might agree to it if the 3rd year is unguaranteed. Gives him a chance to enter the loaded 2023 FA class where a lot of teams will have money to blow.
FGump pointed out that 3 year deal with the last year being unguaranteed is legal. I just don't think Lauri is interested in that. After Dan's excellent breakdown of how it's possible for the Mavs to get 9.5M still leaves me wondering if there was a way to get just a bit more to make it more palatable for Lauri to take a temporary discount.
Get him for 5-6mm S&T for Terry or Brown. We have a hole at the 4.
1 In the J-Rich trade, the Mavs didn't really want Brown (or any salary) in return. But certain cap rules made some outgoing salary necessary. BOS had players with bigger salary they wanted to insert instead (more for salary-moving reasons, than talent), but Brown's was the smallest. I'm not sure why anyone would quibble with that outcome.
2 If they do sign Dragic, they may not waive Brown right away (in case a trade arises needing small filler).
But if they don't see value in him at the moment, it's not likely to change. He shouldn't be asked to be in Summer League as a Mav, or training camp either (due to injury risk and the financial consequences). And they don't really need so many centers.
(08-06-2021, 12:15 PM)haveitall Wrote: [ -> ]Get him for 5-6mm S&T for Terry or Brown. We have a hole at the 4.
His QO with the Bulls is just a hair over 9M. If he's waited this long he most definitely isn't taking a paycut from that.
I know he said to that Finnish reporter that his time in CHI is done, but if his only choices are 5-6M for 3 years or 1 year 9M "prove it deal" I'm more confident that he'll choose the latter than the former.
That's why I think a 10M a year deal essentially for 2 years might just be enough to convince him to sign.
(08-06-2021, 11:22 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]Fischer said the main goal was to get Lowry...
At how many years and at what price point?
My contention was NEVER that the Mavs had no interest in Lowry....my contention was that their interest at the 3 yrs/$90+M range was BS.
(08-06-2021, 12:13 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]He just might agree to it if the 3rd year is unguaranteed. Gives him a chance to enter the loaded 2023 FA class where a lot of teams will have money to blow.
FGump pointed out that 3 year deal with the last year being unguaranteed is legal. I just don't think Lauri is interested in that. After Dan's excellent breakdown of how it's possible for the Mavs to get 9.5M still leaves me wondering if there was a way to get just a bit more to make it more palatable for Lauri to take a temporary discount.
1 Is LM the unsuccessful snt that Fischer has been teasing to tell about? Or was it someone like Portis, or Batum?
2 A deal with the 3rd year unguaranteed is indeed legal, but is not a benefit for LM. If he signs a 3 year deal, he is committing for 3 years.
3 A trade for him would be tricky because he's base year for salary match. It feels like the core of a trade for him would be Maxi or Powell for LM, and then some salary CHI doesn't want (fitting into the TPE) for some other Mav player. But the biggest issue would be getting to the value that would attract CHI to do the deal, and that would also appeal to the Mavs.
(08-06-2021, 12:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]1 Is LM the unsuccessful snt that Fischer has been teasing to tell about? Or was it someone like Portis, or Batum?
I hope he names names and we find out on Monday when the article comes out.
(08-06-2021, 12:42 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]At how many years and at what price point?
My contention was NEVER that the Mavs had no interest in Lowry....my contention was that their interest at the 3 yrs/$90+M range was BS.
He previously said 3/$90M in a pre-free-agency Greenroom, as far as the Mavs’ offer he had heard. Believe what you want on reality.
I do think that contract was being thrown out there by Bartelstein to get MIAMI to offer close to it. Lowry was probably always leaning Miami, but the agent wanted that guaranteed money driven up.
Maxi for LM is a no go. WCS is WAY too inconsistent to rely on and even when he is on his game, that doesn't give you a defensive rotation of any worth.
Well we're living here in Cuban town
And he's driven all our lives in to the ground
When we woke up we had signed Boban
And all the free agents were likely gone
But we still had hope and money to spend
But the good free agents vanished like a fart in the wind
So we made a play for a Bullock and two Browns
And we are holding on for Toronto to come around
And we're living here here in Cuban town
But we taking Powell to Toronto pretty quick
And i'm pretty sure i'm going to lose my shit
And shoot Cuban in the face.
(08-06-2021, 01:21 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]genius
I missed the last two lines becuse of the damn board. I fixed it now.....
Imagine the 3 point shooting with a lineup of Luka, THJ, Bullock, Markannen, KP. Would be a layup line on the other end but still how fun would this be to watch.
(08-06-2021, 11:41 AM)VintagePejav2 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/14236...56546?s=21
We will see how long Leonard is out and if he is the same player when he returns, but I think the Clippers had one of the better offseasons. I guess I was under the impression that it was likely they would be either keep Batum or Jackson, not both. Both fit in really well there and outplayed their salaries by a good margin. Now they are back on still solid value if they continue their good play.
I also think they picked up three interesting draft picks as well. At least two of them are not ready for NBA minutes yet, but I liked the gambles. Both Johnson and Boston have the athletic traits to figures things out.
(08-06-2021, 12:46 PM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]1 Is LM the unsuccessful snt that Fischer has been teasing to tell about? Or was it someone like Portis, or Batum?
2 A deal with the 3rd year unguaranteed is indeed legal, but is not a benefit for LM. If he signs a 3 year deal, he is committing for 3 years.
3 A trade for him would be tricky because he's base year for salary match. It feels like the core of a trade for him would be Maxi or Powell for LM, and then some salary CHI doesn't want (fitting into the TPE) for some other Mav player. But the biggest issue would be getting to the value that would attract CHI to do the deal, and that would also appeal to the Mavs.
Isn’t BYC satisfied if space is used? If they use part of the R-MLE for Sterling and use the $5.38mm in space with another outgoing contract or two to get LM, doesn’t BYC go away? Not advocating this, but as you point out, Chicago has to be satisfied and Dallas has to get to a number LM wants for multi-years…especially if we are giving up items of value.
Maxi plus space gets LM to $14mm. Is Maxi enough (he’s certainly a better fit in Chicago). Is $14mm enough? Maxi fits well here also. How about Powell plus Green plus room? That get’s LM to just north of $19mm. I probably do that…especially with Sterling taking minutes from Green.