(07-20-2021, 02:21 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]It is nice to finally see a player listing Mavs as his destination.
I like Norman Powell. But we have THJ, a player we know what he is, who apparently wants to stay with Mavs. Letting him go to pursue basically same thing in Powell, would be a huge insult imho. Not to mention Powell might be more expensive. Is there place to have both? I doubt
It would be nice to screw with Portland though 
They might be forced to pay us for at least TE, if not SnT
I guess, the question is, is Norman Powell the better starter? Cause I don't think of THJ as a starter and don't want to pay him starter money. THJ with better defense, and more ball handling and distribution skills is what we would want. Is Norman Powell that on top of being a year younger? If so, I'm on board. If not, might as well keep THJ or go somewhere else with the money.
(07-20-2021, 02:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I guess, the question is, is Norman Powell the better starter? Cause I don't think of THJ as a starter and don't want to pay him starter money. THJ with better defense, and more ball handling and distribution skills is what we would want. Is Norman Powell that on top of being a year younger? If so, I'm on board. If not, might as well keep THJ or go somewhere else with the money.
Precisely this.
THJ's lack of defensive ability (he showed great flashes of defensive *effort* at points this past season, but that's something different, obviously...) makes him binarily not a starter for a Luka-led team. I don't know if Powell is any improvement defensively, but the possibility intrigues me. In that event, saying it's a lateral move would be horse puckey.
(07-20-2021, 02:21 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]It is nice to finally see a player listing Mavs as his destination.
I like Norman Powell. But we have THJ, a player we know what he is, who apparently wants to stay with Mavs. Letting him go to pursue basically same thing in Powell, would be a huge insult imho. Not to mention Powell might be more expensive. Is there place to have both? I doubt
It would be nice to screw with Portland though They might be forced to pay us for at least TE, if not SnT
I like Powell significantly better than THJ. He is very long and at least an average defender. He would be ok as our point of attack defender (something you would not want THJ to do). He is also a little better creating his own shot and a year younger. I would be comfortable with him starting as opposed to THJ, who's defense is an issue next to Luka.
Powell is an improvement defensively. He has a 6'11 wingspan. Significant overall upgrade over THJ imo. Better defender and offensive initiator. Comparable shooter to THJ over his career. Think his .377 from last season would go up next to Luka.
If its THJ at 18 mill per year or Powell at 21-22 give me Powell.
(07-20-2021, 03:45 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]He has a 6'11 wingspan. Significant overall upgrade over THJ imo.
4 inch improvement to be exact.
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(07-20-2021, 02:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I guess, the question is, is Norman Powell the better starter? Cause I don't think of THJ as a starter and don't want to pay him starter money. THJ with better defense, and more ball handling and distribution skills is what we would want. Is Norman Powell that on top of being a year younger? If so, I'm on board. If not, might as well keep THJ or go somewhere else with the money.
He is part of it. Better defender (maybe a little above average) and better self creator, but no improvement in distribution. He is not as good a fit as some of the older guys, but better than THJ and younger than all of them.
Not interested in Norman Powell for the simple reason that the Blazers have no other choice than to retain him. That means he´ll get massively overpaid, conservatively they´ll offer him something like 80/4. So we are talking about handing $20M per year to a player, who averages 17/3/2. Those are exactly THJ´s numbers. Even if he´s a slight improvement over THJ due to the defense, Powell immediately becomes a negative asset and he does not move the team needle into championship territory.
You can probably get a package of Terrence Ross & Mo Bamba in some THJ S&T for a combined salary of $20M. Pretty sure Ross can give you 17/3/2. He makes 12.5M in 2021/2022 and 11.5M in 2022/2023. Roughly the same production, but easily moveable next summer and you get a free shot at Mo Bamba.
Kendrick Nunn won´t cost 20M/year either. Jeremy Lamb´s best season in Charlotte was 15/6/2 in just 28 MPG. He´s sitting on a $10.5M expiring contract.
If I put the hammer down ($20M+) it needs to be a proven multi-faceted player that has been a leader like DeRozan, or at least some young veteran that has shown enough that with further growth he can sniff an ASG, All-NBA or All Defense team like Collins or Ball.
(07-20-2021, 04:16 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Not interested in Norman Powell for the simple reason that the Blazers have no other choice than to retain him. That means he´ll get massively overpaid, conservatively they´ll offer him something like 80/4. So we are talking about handing $20M per year to a player, who averages 17/3/2. Those are exactly THJ´s numbers. Even if he´s a slight improvement over THJ due to the defense, Powell immediately becomes a negative asset and he does not move the team needle into championship territory.
You can probably get a package of Terrence Ross & Mo Bamba in some THJ S&T for a combined salary of $20M. Pretty sure Ross can give you 17/3/2. He makes 12.5M in 2021/2022 and 11.5M in 2022/2023. Roughly the same production, but easily moveable next summer and you get a free shot at Mo Bamba.
Kendrick Nunn won´t cost 20M/year either. Jeremy Lamb´s best season in Charlotte was 15/6/2 in just 28 MPG. He´s sitting on a $10.5M expiring contract.
If I put the hammer down ($20M+) it needs to be a proven multi-faceted player that has been a leader like DeRozan, or at least some young veteran that has shown enough that with further growth he can sniff an ASG, All-NBA or All Defense team like Collins or Ball.
To be fair, Powell was averaging 19.6 ppg on 43% from 3 until the trade from Toronto. Guess it’s a matter of opinion, but I think 4/80 is fair value for what Powell brings as a guy who never hurts you on either end of the floor and can be more of a primary p&r ball handler than THJ when needed.
(07-20-2021, 04:41 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, Powell was averaging 19.6 ppg on 43% from 3 until the trade from Toronto. Guess it’s a matter of opinion, but I think 4/80 is fair value for what Powell brings as a guy who never hurts you on either end of the floor and can be more of a primary p&r ball handler than THJ when needed.
I have learned to respect your opinion in a very short time, and I don't know the player very well. I guess I'd be pretty into this acquisition if it happened.
(07-20-2021, 04:16 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Not interested in Norman Powell for the simple reason that the Blazers have no other choice than to retain him. That means he´ll get massively overpaid, conservatively they´ll offer him something like 80/4. So we are talking about handing $20M per year to a player, who averages 17/3/2. Those are exactly THJ´s numbers. Even if he´s a slight improvement over THJ due to the defense, Powell immediately becomes a negative asset and he does not move the team needle into championship territory.
You can probably get a package of Terrence Ross & Mo Bamba in some THJ S&T for a combined salary of $20M. Pretty sure Ross can give you 17/3/2. He makes 12.5M in 2021/2022 and 11.5M in 2022/2023. Roughly the same production, but easily moveable next summer and you get a free shot at Mo Bamba.
Kendrick Nunn won´t cost 20M/year either. Jeremy Lamb´s best season in Charlotte was 15/6/2 in just 28 MPG. He´s sitting on a $10.5M expiring contract.
If I put the hammer down ($20M+) it needs to be a proven multi-faceted player that has been a leader like DeRozan, or at least some young veteran that has shown enough that with further growth he can sniff an ASG, All-NBA or All Defense team like Collins or Ball.
The goal is to land one of the "big fish", but you may not be able to get any here. If they can't get any of the big guys, then Powell is probably the best option in the next tier. I would have no problem spending 4/80 on him (probably go 4/90 if I had to). He is a better player than guys like THJ and Fournier, and the fact that you are even comparing him to Nunn and Lamb tells me you are really underrating him. Even at that contract, you will still have 12-15 mil in cap to go get another legit starter.
People talk about player contract values like they are picking off a menu. A legit starting NBA player is a very scarce resource. The price is going to be set by the limited market of what is available and what cap teams have. More often than not, you are going to have to overpay in free agency. The alternative is we do nothing and let Luka extension eat up the cap, or we spend it on good contracts for roll players. We have enough roll players (some of them starting). We need to upgrade the starting talent on this team, and sometimes the only way to do that is overpay. As long as its not a crazy albatross contract, it eventually turns into an asset (as expiring) anyways.
Powell wouldn’t be my first choice acquisition, but he’d be a clear upgrade over THJ for sure. THJ is basically a nice catch and shoot player with enough supplemental skills to keep you honest. Powell has an all around game, and he can shoot too.
While he wouldn't be my first choice, Norman Powell at $20 mil per would pistolwhip the living turd out of having paid Harrison Barnes $25 plus mil per.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/07/king...kouts.html
Quote:Richaun Holmes had a breakout season in with the Kings this year, averaging career-highs in points, rebounds, assists and blocks and emerging as one of the better defensive centers in the league. But the 27-year-old is entering unrestricted free agency, and according to Jason Anderson of The Sacramento Bee, it may be difficult for the Kings to retain him without freeing up cap space via a trade of Harrison Barnes or Buddy Hield.
Anderson takes a look at some of the options GM Monte McNair could choose from to address the massive hole Holmes’ departure would leave, first in the draft, where the Kings have the ninth overall pick, and in free agency, where cheap but productive veterans such as Nerlens Noel, Daniel Theis, and others could come into play.
Jason Jones of The Athletic has similar concerns, and details why the Kings may want to look at centers Alperen Sengun and Kai Jones in this year’s draft.
Also on Powell, Portland may money whip him but if we’re close it wouldn’t shock me if chose to get out of Portland before being stuck in a post Dame rebuild. Starting spot next to Luka should be appealing to him.
Don’t know if this is good news or bad news, but interesting info from Chad Ford on today’s Locked on Mav’s Podcast. Conversation is about Kidd’s past desires to have an oversized input on personnel decisions:
“Kidd has a reputation of not caring about any of that (long term view vs. who helps me win tomorrow night). He gets enamored with certain prospects. He gets enamored, frankly sometimes, you know he’s managed and repped by Excel and other Excel clients. There has been a long history of him pushing for that…(gives example of Kidd pushing for Excel client MCW in Milwaukee). This is something Nico is going to have to have the juice to tell your head coach sometimes ‘no you’re gonna have to play the guys that we give you. You’re gonna have a voice in these matters, but you are not The Voice’”
Summer of Schwartz? Korkmaz to Dallas confirmed? Olynyk?
(07-20-2021, 06:23 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Summer of Schwartz?
If you want to go there. KP for McCollum? KP for Wiggins and Wiseman (Schwartz).
(07-20-2021, 06:23 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Summer of Schwartz? Korkmaz to Dallas confirmed?
Korkmaz and Collins!
Oladipo joined Excel today. Hmmm. (I’m afraid this might be significant. This happened once before, though I can’t remember the guy’s name…he didn’t last very long)
Sengun is an Excel guy…also some guy named Cunningham.
https://heatnation.com/media/victor-olad...ee-agency/
(07-20-2021, 04:16 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Not interested in Norman Powell for the simple reason that the Blazers have no other choice than to retain him. That means he´ll get massively overpaid, conservatively they´ll offer him something like 80/4. So we are talking about handing $20M per year to a player, who averages 17/3/2. Those are exactly THJ´s numbers. Even if he´s a slight improvement over THJ due to the defense, Powell immediately becomes a negative asset and he does not move the team needle into championship territory.
You can probably get a package of Terrence Ross & Mo Bamba in some THJ S&T for a combined salary of $20M. Pretty sure Ross can give you 17/3/2. He makes 12.5M in 2021/2022 and 11.5M in 2022/2023. Roughly the same production, but easily moveable next summer and you get a free shot at Mo Bamba.
Kendrick Nunn won´t cost 20M/year either. Jeremy Lamb´s best season in Charlotte was 15/6/2 in just 28 MPG. He´s sitting on a $10.5M expiring contract.
If I put the hammer down ($20M+) it needs to be a proven multi-faceted player that has been a leader like DeRozan, or at least some young veteran that has shown enough that with further growth he can sniff an ASG, All-NBA or All Defense team like Collins or Ball.
Love this idea... And dare I say we are in agreement in the don't make a move that makes a negative asset.
(07-20-2021, 07:05 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Oladipo joined Excel today. Hmmm. (I’m afraid this might be significant. This happened once before, though I can’t remember the guy’s name…he didn’t last very long)
Sengun is an Excel guy…also some guy named Cunningham.
https://heatnation.com/media/victor-olad...ee-agency/
Cade Cunningham to the Mavs confirmed?