(08-08-2021, 02:07 PM)Bayliss Wrote: [ -> ]And they will probably get it too
Who in the NBA will give that to the Bulls?
There are
maybe 4 teams that have interest in Lauri at this point. Spurs, Pelicans, Hornets, and Dallas. The first and last of those might be stretches however, but lets just include them. Out of those 4 who will want Lauri for a FRP?
Maybe the Pelicans? Ok sure. Now the next obstacle is what Lauri's contract will be? More than 9.5M which is his QO for a start. Pels have a 17M trade exception. So what 15? 17? At that point you're handing Lauri at the minimum 45-51M for 3 years on top of a FRP in a market that was all but dried up for that player.
Is that a smart way to build a team? I like Lauri but if that's what he's going for count me out.
(08-08-2021, 02:11 PM)HAguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd much rather take Millsap for 1 year then Laurion a multi-year.
Millsap is close to done. 12 MPG in the play-offs. Though I don´t think he´ll sign for the minimum with a contender. He´ll take the suckers for a ride that will give him the full MLE.
(08-08-2021, 02:23 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] Who in the NBA will give that to the Bulls?
There are maybe 4 teams that have interest in Lauri at this point. Spurs, Pelicans, Hornets, and Dallas. The first and last of those might be stretches however, but lets just include them. Out of those 4 who will want Lauri for a FRP?
Maybe the Pelicans? Ok sure. Now the next obstacle is what Lauri's contract will be? More than 9.5M which is his QO for a start. Pels have a 17M trade exception. So what 15? 17? At that point you're handing Lauri at the minimum 45-51M for 3 years on top of a FRP in a market that was all but dried up for that player.
Is that a smart way to build a team? I like Lauri but if that's what he's going for count me out.
He might be really worth that to the Pels, but they are doing other things I guess. If they were interessed they would asked for him the Ball-S&T.
If we had a bad pick to spare I would do it in a second, if I could get him in the TPE.
(08-08-2021, 02:23 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ] Who in the NBA will give that to the Bulls?
There are maybe 4 teams that have interest in Lauri at this point. Spurs, Pelicans, Hornets, and Dallas. The first and last of those might be stretches however, but lets just include them. Out of those 4 who will want Lauri for a FRP?
Maybe the Pelicans? Ok sure. Now the next obstacle is what Lauri's contract will be? More than 9.5M which is his QO for a start. Pels have a 17M trade exception. So what 15? 17? At that point you're handing Lauri at the minimum 45-51M for 3 years on top of a FRP in a market that was all but dried up for that player.
Is that a smart way to build a team? I like Lauri but if that's what he's going for count me out.
Fair logic here. If I’m Nico I’d offer the full max that can fit in the TPE(4yr 47-49 million?) along with a 2nd/cash
Lauri would have to want to come here and take the discount
(08-08-2021, 02:17 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Because a FRP is about as premium of an asset as it gets right now in today's NBA.
There's an obvious staring contest. The market for Lauri has all but dried up and only a few teams remain if any (and this is the real key piece). Lauri has made it clear he does not want to return to CHI. CHI has made it clear that they don't (and haven't) view Lauri as an integral piece of their team.
CHI can charge whatever they want for Lauri, but if they want to be serious and actually get a deal done they'll lower their expectations. Which is why I said it was comical that they are asking for it. Doomsday scenario for CHI is Lauri taking the QO and then leave next year without them getting anything in return. Trading him would become even more difficult because I believe Lauri gets a no-trade option at that point as well (and he'll decline any trade because he'll lose his bird rights).
This is like someone is at a garage sale trying to sell their old collectable. There is some interest from like 3 people that want it for 5 bucks. As soon as prospective buyer comes up to the seller the seller informs him that he'll only give away that old collectible for $300,000. "Sure..." says the buyer, and everyone promptly goes back home without a deal in sight. At the end of the day the seller is still left with something he'd much rather not have.
The FRP is of course not unprotected, imho. So a reasonably protected FRP (like lottery protected) is really not that high of an asset, especially for a team that has a lot of them. Like NO.
If Chicago alternative in Lauri drama are less than FRP (lets say a second or two) or Lauri for QO, I am not sure I wouldn't prefer the QO. Lauri would still have to play his ass off to earn a good contract next year and Chciago certainly needs more bodies at PF and C.
(08-08-2021, 02:20 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]How is this any better? And what do you want to pay salarywise for him?
Agree, Green and SRP could be seen as an alternative to FRP and that should satisfy Chicago.
As for salary, I am not really sure. If you are after Lauri you have to think he is good and he fits. If you think that, than salary in the 15 mil range is not an issue. If you think Lauri is MLE level player at best, than you are not giving out assets for him and you will likely not get him. Personally I have a hard time seeing the value and fit, so I would probably not go after him. But perhaps Mavs see it differently.
(08-08-2021, 02:30 PM)Jason Terry Wrote: [ -> ]Fair logic here. If I’m Nico I’d offer the full max that can fit in the TPE(4yr 47-49 million?) along with a 2nd/cash
Lauri would have to want to come here and take the discount
I think the Bulls would be more interested in Kleber than a TPE deal. They need players. Question is whether they´d also be interested in Powell/WCS.
Generally speaking imho how they will use the TPE is a major hold-up of the Mavs off-season now.
You either use it in full for players like Aminu or Favours, or you could also look into splitting it apart. I think that´s why Brown has not been signed officially. They might have to/want to work out a deal with Houston to use part of the TPE for him, so they can sign a different player with the BAE.
(08-08-2021, 02:47 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Agree, Green and SRP could be seen as an alternative to FRP and that should satisfy Chicago.
As for salary, I am not really sure. If you are after Lauri you have to think he is good and he fits. If you think that, than salary in the 15 mil range is not an issue. If you think Lauri is MLE level player at best, than you are not giving out assets for him and you will likely not get him. Personally I have a hard time seeing the value and fit, so I would probably not go after him. But perhaps Mavs see it differently.
Maybe the Bulls would like to take a flyer on Moses Brown or WCS. Do we have any tradeable seconds?
(08-08-2021, 05:03 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe the Bulls would like to take a flyer on Moses Brown or WCS. Do we have any tradeable seconds?
2023 and 2026 are gone. The other 5 are available
I am already off Lauri. I just don't think Dallas has the package to make it work. I mean, maybe they could if they put their youngsters in a package, but I just don't think I would do that now. Ask me in two weeks though.
So I am looking at low cost guys who might be attractive if we have BAE type money. Millsap is still the top of the list for me. He is not the same guy he was two years ago and has been playing in a very beneficial system with Jokic, but I think he would still be a productive player. He can actually dribble some which would put him ahead of the rest of our big guys.
As far as the rest, if you squint hard enough you may be able to find an attractive piece. It is not a sure thing though. DJ Wilson has had some moments. Same with Denzel Valentine. I really liked Jared Vanderbilt as a second round pick a few years ago. Harry Giles was pretty bad last year and not able to crack Portland's rotation. Is there anything there worth betting on? But are those guys better than what we have?
Maybe there are some trade options, but I don't see a lot of names that excite me over our flawed roster.
I would love to sign this years Bobby Portis. A veteran who bounced around some who signs for 3 millionish and after the season looks to be 3x that cost. They are out there somewhere. Maybe it is Sterling Brown
I can understand the sentiment on both sides of the DSJ discussion. I myself am in the camp that I think he's a much better option to play in an NBA game than TT or Burke and is still young enough to improve his game and be a better option than JB eventually. Wouldn't mind a flier on him for less than we're paying Burke!
(08-08-2021, 09:29 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I can understand the sentiment on both sides of the DSJ discussion. I myself am in the camp that I think he's a much better option to play in an NBA game than TT or Burke and is still young enough to improve his game and be a better option than JB eventually. Wouldn't mind a flier on him for less than we're paying Burke!
Give DSJ and Tyreke Evans a camp invite and let them prove if either are worthy of a roster spot.
I second the Tyreke Evans mention.
Tyreke Evans? LOL coming off a 2 year drug suspension?? Is he even reinstated yet?
(08-08-2021, 10:04 PM)Cowboy Wrote: [ -> ]Tyreke Evans? LOL coming off a 2 year drug suspension?? Is he even reinstated yet?
Eligible this year if he has a year of clean drug tests. I'm not sure where the LOL comes from. His career accomplishments dwarf DSJ's and he was a much better basketball player. Last I heard, he was still working with trainers. If we are scrapping the bottom the barrel, might as well give him a look.
(08-08-2021, 10:12 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Eligible this year if he has a year of clean drug tests. I'm not sure where the LOL comes from. His career accomplishments dwarf DSJ's and he was a much better basketball player. Last I heard, he was still working with trainers. If we are scrapping the bottom the barrel, might as well give him a look.
Yeah I don't see the harm in a training camp invite sort of deal. I have serious doubts he could play though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8e8p-TbCZ8
Some highlights. He looks pretty slow in these.
(08-08-2021, 11:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I don't see the harm in a training camp invite sort of deal. I have serious doubts he could play though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8e8p-TbCZ8
Some highlights. He looks pretty slow in these.
Hard to judge his speed without seeing game action. He'll be 32 soon so he's not a spring chicken. He'll never lose those handles though. If we could get some semblance of Tyreke in Memphis, it would be a steal for a vet minimum deal. I wouldn't hand him a contract but I'd take a look. Same with DSJ. Competition is a good thing.
There is no way in the world the Mavs are going to have any interest in bringing in Tyreke Evans. How about trying to get guys that have played in the past couple of years and not suspended. I highly doubt they could go to Luka with a straight face and tell him that’s who they are adding. Maybe they will see if Delonte West is ready again since we want reclamation projects.
(08-09-2021, 12:23 AM)Cowboy Wrote: [ -> ]There is no way in the world the Mavs are going to have any interest in bringing in Tyreke Evans. How about trying to get guys that have played in the past couple of years and not suspended. I highly doubt they could go to Luka with a straight face and tell him that’s who they are adding. Maybe they will see if Delonte West is ready again since we want reclamation projects.
We don't like the best option on the market right now because of "reasons". Most players obviously don't want to come to Dallas. Got to get creative at some point. I'm just throwing out ideas to counter the interest in DSJ.