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https://www.celticsblog.com/2020/9/1/214...-mavericks

Celtic Larry Legend defense article against the emerging Doncic.  I don't blame them but Doncic is not really Bird.  

RC is right when he says Doncic is his own class of player.
I'm curious about some analysis of Luka's shooting. Mechanics, form, everything. We all know improvement in his three point shooting and free throws will have a huge say in his development into what we expect him to become. To me his form is very good. Do we think it's just more repitition, a change in his form, a mental thing, or what, because I give his shooting stroke, I don't see why his percentages are where they are, even considering his lack of assisted shots.
Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Dončić has been fined $15,000 for throwing the ball off the legs of a game official, it was announced today by Kiki VanDeWeghe, Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations.
The incident, for which Dončić was assessed a technical foul, occurred with 8:20 remaining in the third quarter of the Mavericks' 111-97 loss to the LA Clippers on Aug. 30 at AdventHealth Arena on the campus of ESPN Wide World of Sports in Orlando. 
LA Clippers forward Marcus Morris, Sr. has been fined $35,000 for recklessly striking Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Dončić above the shoulders, it was announced today by Kiki VanDeWeghe, Executive Vice President, Basketball Operations. The amount of the fine was based in part on the fact that Morris, Sr. has been disciplined on several prior occasions for physical altercations on the court.
The incident, for which Morris, Sr. was assessed a Flagrant Foul 2 and ejected, occurred with 1:07 remaining in the first quarter of the Clippers' 111-97 win over the Mavericks on Aug. 30 at AdventHealth Arena on the campus of ESPN Wide World of Sports in Orlando.
(09-03-2020, 06:38 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious about some analysis of Luka's shooting. Mechanics, form, everything. We all know improvement in his three point shooting and free throws will have a huge say in his development into what we expect him to become. To me his form is very good. Do we think it's just more repitition, a change in his form, a mental thing, or what, because I give his shooting stroke, I don't see why his percentages are where they are, even considering his lack of assisted shots.

The best I can tell, Luka's mechanics are just fine. Repetition of his current shot will improve the shots. He now fully understands the shots he will be getting in games. He is awesome at everything around the basket. 

Two important things: I think his free throw problems are a direct result of how hard he has to work in general and how much focus is on him doing everything. I think he should shoot free throws, 2-3 at a time, during intense workouts when he is nearly exhausted. He has already improved his conditioning to near excellence given all he is asked to do. Now he needs to get himself an automatic mode he goes into, like other clutch free throwers have, in the middle of an exhausting and pressure packed game. I don't think making 30 in a row when fresh really helps Luka because what he has to do is simply different from just about anyone else. 

Second, his shooting will improve when he gets better perimeter shots. That involves another shot creator or creators or ball movement that results in him getting more open shots without always having to create nearly all of the shots. When that happens, his better shots will get him to a higher percentage. He has already improved his percentage very effectively being unstoppable in going to the rim.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nb...700512002/

Impressive list, sure is great the Mavs have the best one.

https://www.eurohoops.net/en/nba-news/10...ed-doncic/

Missing on Luka appears to be a way to get fired lately.  Or trading a Unicorn for magic beans.
(09-03-2020, 01:29 PM)Reunion Mav Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2020, 06:38 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious about some analysis of Luka's shooting. Mechanics, form, everything. We all know improvement in his three point shooting and free throws will have a huge say in his development into what we expect him to become. To me his form is very good. Do we think it's just more repitition, a change in his form, a mental thing, or what, because I give his shooting stroke, I don't see why his percentages are where they are, even considering his lack of assisted shots.

The best I can tell, Luka's mechanics are just fine. Repetition of his current shot will improve the shots. He now fully understands the shots he will be getting in games. He is awesome at everything around the basket. 

Two important things: I think his free throw problems are a direct result of how hard he has to work in general and how much focus is on him doing everything. I think he should shoot free throws, 2-3 at a time, during intense workouts when he is nearly exhausted. He has already improved his conditioning to near excellence given all he is asked to do. Now he needs to get himself an automatic mode he goes into, like other clutch free throwers have, in the middle of an exhausting and pressure packed game. I don't think making 30 in a row when fresh really helps Luka because what he has to do is simply different from just about anyone else. 

Second, his shooting will improve when he gets better perimeter shots. That involves another shot creator or creators or ball movement that results in him getting more open shots without always having to create nearly all of the shots. When that happens, his better shots will get him to a higher percentage. He has already improved his percentage very effectively being unstoppable in going to the rim.

agree with this, although I remember watching some games, he is missing free throws early in the game when he is still fresh and that normally dictates how his free throw shooting goes throughout-has to be mental to some extent.


I wish he would work on having a quicker release on this three point shot and his shot in general-i think it would help him get better shots in the midrange area if needed, especially in the playoffs.

whatever he has to do to improve, I have no doubts he will do it and we will see results. He said that shooting will be his focus during the offseason.
(09-03-2020, 01:29 PM)Reunion Mav Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-03-2020, 06:38 AM)Dundalis Wrote: [ -> ]I'm curious about some analysis of Luka's shooting. Mechanics, form, everything. We all know improvement in his three point shooting and free throws will have a huge say in his development into what we expect him to become. To me his form is very good. Do we think it's just more repitition, a change in his form, a mental thing, or what, because I give his shooting stroke, I don't see why his percentages are where they are, even considering his lack of assisted shots.

The best I can tell, Luka's mechanics are just fine. Repetition of his current shot will improve the shots. He now fully understands the shots he will be getting in games. He is awesome at everything around the basket. 

Two important things: I think his free throw problems are a direct result of how hard he has to work in general and how much focus is on him doing everything. I think he should shoot free throws, 2-3 at a time, during intense workouts when he is nearly exhausted. He has already improved his conditioning to near excellence given all he is asked to do. Now he needs to get himself an automatic mode he goes into, like other clutch free throwers have, in the middle of an exhausting and pressure packed game. I don't think making 30 in a row when fresh really helps Luka because what he has to do is simply different from just about anyone else. 

Second, his shooting will improve when he gets better perimeter shots. That involves another shot creator or creators or ball movement that results in him getting more open shots without always having to create nearly all of the shots. When that happens, his better shots will get him to a higher percentage. He has already improved his percentage very effectively being unstoppable in going to the rim.


I understand the concept of conditioning and the part it plays. I also understand that he can do better with more assisted buckets and having another creator take the load off. But he might not get the luxury of the second thing for a while. As mentioned, he has plenty of games where he's clearly exhausted and shoots great from the line throughout the whole game (like game 1), and plenty of games where he shoots terrible right from the start with clearly plenty of energy. The conditioning argument for shooting FT's for a pro athlete just rings a bit hollow to me. Also in terms of the number of unassisted baskets, his shot percentage on assisted baskets was actually quite poor this season, although I get that the sample size is much smaller compared to his unassisted shots and that you expect a higher percentage on catch and shoot in the long run. I do kinda think these two things (conditioning and more assisted baskets) are a bit too easy of an answer that doesn't quite match up with what is happening in games, and I wonder if it's more of a pure mental issue. Haven't checked it out statistically, but it does seem to me that if he's cold early, he stays cold (not talking about his inside scoring which he can switch to to bump his overall scoring numbers, just the shooting only numbers), which speaks to mental over physical.

It really is his pretty ridiculous dominance at scoring around the basket for a below the rim player that has basically carried his scoring and pretty much all his efficiency. It's also probably helped him pick up the ankle knocks given he can't rely as much on his shooting, including the mid range, because if he wants to score when his 3's aren't dropping, he has to drive deep into the paint to actually be in scoring position. I get mid range shots are hated by analytics, but what seems to get missed in that narrative, is that in the clutch where the sample size is small but the importance is greatest, it's often not the highest value shots you need (3's and layups), but just the highest percentage shots in general, because you just want to keep adding points to stay in range and to avoid the team affecting emotional down brought on by a scoring draught. This is amplified even more in the playoffs. It's why Kawhi and his mid range game was so prevalent and effective for the Clippers particularly towards the end of games when no one else was scoring. It's a low value shot, but it's a higher percentage shot than a 3, and doesn't require getting deep paint position, which is more difficult and takes more energy. Hopefully the analytics drum doesn't erradicate this from his workout regime. It's also why I wouldn't have much of an issue if we went after someone like DeRozan, even though everything the team preaches would hate his skillset.
(09-05-2020, 10:29 AM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]https://dailyknicks.com/2020/09/05/knick...ka-doncic/


Wow, the guy who wrote that article has a tenuous grasp over the sport he covers. It really doesn't take much to be a journalist these days, does it?
(09-09-2020, 12:45 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1...4764356609

Cannot WAIT for the Clippers to lose. I hope it is an epic meltdown full of embarrassment.
(09-09-2020, 01:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020, 12:45 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1...4764356609

Cannot WAIT for the Clippers to lose. I hope it is an epic meltdown full of embarrassment.
Yeah, but the NBA is an entertainment business and we currently have a President that can shamelessly lie and half the people will believe the BS coming out of his mouth. Same as the NBA. So Beverly is just playing the game.

The real reason the Rockets have downsized is that Morey figured out a long time ago that they just don´t call small on big fouls, because it´s so unfair that the big guy has a physical advantage. It´s the same way Dirk was successfully defended by Nellie, the same way they attack Doncic and Jokic. Hack, hack, hold, slap, slip foot underneath. It´s so unfair that they are big and skilled, so foul away. Rolleyes
(09-09-2020, 01:56 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020, 01:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020, 12:45 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1...4764356609

Cannot WAIT for the Clippers to lose. I hope it is an epic meltdown full of embarrassment.
Yeah, but the NBA is an entertainment business and we currently have a President that can shamelessly lie and half the people will believe the BS coming out of his mouth. 
How did we go from Entertainment Business to President? Maybe something like this for entertainment, from the band Train?

Meet Virginia
Her daddy wrestles alligators, Mama works on carburetors
Her brother is a fine mediator for the President
Well here she is again on the phone
Just like me hates to be alone
We just like to sit at home, and rip on the President
(09-09-2020, 06:16 PM)chaparral Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020, 01:56 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020, 01:49 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-09-2020, 12:45 PM)khaled1987 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/1...4764356609

Cannot WAIT for the Clippers to lose. I hope it is an epic meltdown full of embarrassment.
Yeah, but the NBA is an entertainment business and we currently have a President that can shamelessly lie and half the people will believe the BS coming out of his mouth. 
How did we go from Entertainment Business to President? Maybe something like this for entertainment, from the band Train?

Meet Virginia
Her daddy wrestles alligators, Mama works on carburetors
Her brother is a fine mediator for the President
Well here she is again on the phone
Just like me hates to be alone
We just like to sit at home, and rip on the President

Yeah... 

I'm all for espousing political views, whatever side they're on. But lets try our best to keep basketball stuff in the basketball threads, and politics where it belongs. No need to bring up Trump when talking about hoping the Clips lose in an embarrassing fashion.
I honestly still think the Clippers will win it all, though my confidence is wavering.