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I have never owned a Jordan pair. When Luka gets his signature shoe, it'll be my first.

Cannot wait, man. I'll buy it first day of release. Praying it's a low cut shoes.

Another bad point about Doncic’s injury, is that I guess his ‘20-5-5’ streak has ended... complete BS; the 1 minute he played against the Heat should NOT count...

For me, the streak is still in full-swing!

https://twitter.com/dallasmavs/status/12...0145298432

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(12-29-2019, 07:39 AM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]http://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1211162113881911296

I was pleased with what Jackson did yesterday in terms of attacking the 4 on 3.  One of the issues in Toronto was Wright and THJ (especially) stopped the ball once the press was broken and missed the opportunity to attack a scrambling D and instead allowed Toronto to press aggressively AND then set up their regular half court D.

(12-16-2019, 02:47 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2019, 09:48 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2019, 11:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Before the Suns Game Luka was at 2.05 A:TO ratio. 

With that game he is now at a 2.14 ratio. 

He is currently #76 in the NBA in this stat.

Now at 2.01. Dropped to #91.

2.04 up to #87

2.13 up to #73

(12-29-2019, 02:49 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]2.13 up to #73

Why do you put such high importance into this? His individual number might not be excellent, however, the team is number 1 in turnovers. Given extremely high usage rate Luka has, I would say that his number is much better as it might look just from raw assist to turnover perspective.

(12-29-2019, 03:12 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2019, 02:49 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]2.13 up to #73

Why do you put such high importance into this? His individual number might not be excellent, however, the team is number 1 in turnovers. Given extremely high usage rate Luka has, I would say that his number is much better as it might look just from raw assist to turnover perspective.

To add on your points. I guess this also doesn't reflect the usage rate, and also the fact that he is in against the other teams starters where it's far more difficult to maintain a better ratio. Finally, and even more importantly, Luka is the main creator on his team asked to do it at most difficult times. Most other players are not asked to gamble and take risky passes. Thus, in this case it's far easier to have a better assist to turnover ratio. If those players were asked to create and gamble against the other teams starters, consistently, at most clutch times of the game, their ratio would drop completely.

Like all other stats in all sports, it has serious short comings, but like all other stats it also has some truth in it, but always disguised. Looking at the games and analysing it without stats, Luka is amazing at balancing that high risk gambling necessary to win games, and safe handling of the offense. One thing is sure, if he played it safe all the time, he would totally be able to do that, his stat in this case would be really high, however we would not make much impact on the other teams defensive schemes, and we would not win as many games.

One thing that this stat doesn't tell is that on those high risk gamble passes, Luka shows the opposing defense he IS able to split them and their arrangement like nobody else. Yes it costs sometimes a turnover once in a while. But the ability to split the defense, and the nature of the assist made, forces them to rearrange in other formations. And that rearragement into other schemes messes up their base defense and makes them less comfortable. Just look at the Warriors game and they started doubling him on our own court! The reason is that he is able to split apart their base defense if he reaches higher up the court. The few turnovers are fine, it's more about the nature of the assists made and how they impact the other defense and making them need to change. This is one main reason this is the best offense in NBA.

(12-29-2019, 03:12 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2019, 02:49 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]2.13 up to #73

Why do you put such high importance into this? His individual number might not be excellent, however, the team is number 1 in turnovers. Given extremely high usage rate Luka has, I would say that his number is much better as it might look just from raw assist to turnover perspective.

What importance have I put on this? I started tracking it in the Suns game where I thought he might have turned a corner on it. He didn't, but I still think it is an interesting stat to track. LBJ is at 2.8, Ricky Rubio 3.6, Irving 3.0, CP3 3.6, Brogdon 2.8 all high usage players that I think Luka could aspire to be like in this way. He's not the best at everything, he also doesn't have to be as currently shown in the regular season. I guess you believe he doesn't need to improve in this way? Just think this is an odd bone to pick.

(12-29-2019, 03:34 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]He's not the best at everything, he also doesn't have to be as currently shown in the regular season. I guess you believe he doesn't need to improve in this way? Just think this is an odd bone to pick.

I think this is also a valid point you bring here, of course he can improve and should, and I am sure will with time. He does indeed have a turnover per game (in average) he can avoid. That should not be masked or avoided to talk about. In some games more than one.

On other hand some of the turnovers he gets is defenitely due to the harder conditions, such style of play and that he makes more hard passes, much more than the other players listed. For instance his long range passes, I dont think anyone in the league is doing those at that rate and precision, not even attempting those, since they cant make them, one thing is that he is unique in that he has the height to even attempt to make those.Those are way more risky, yet also more rewarding. The stat is related to difficulty of the passes made, style of the passing (where the player is often attemting the pass), how much the player is double teamed once past the initial position, usage rate, the clutch factor (when he is asked to make key passes), and probably many many other things not listed here.

Luka is so good its unfair. We are watching an all-time player before our very eyes and he's only 20 years old. Luka is going to bring at least one championship to Dallas.

I think playoff Luka is going to be good. It's possible he gets nerves and doesn't play well in his first every NBA playoff series but he doesn't seem like a guy that gets nerves. If he does it might be for 1 half of the first game. I expect him to play extremely well. There isn't really anyone out there who can defend him one on one.

Assist Usage is a tracked stat:
Assist rate compared to usage rate. How often did a player get an assist given how much they had the ball?

Doncic AST:Usg 1.19 (96th percentile)

Assist Percentage:
What percentage of his teammates' made shots did the player assist on?

Doncic AST:% 49.1 (leads the league)

(12-29-2019, 03:34 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]What importance have I put on this? I started tracking it in the Suns game where I thought he might have turned a corner on it. He didn't, but I still think it is an interesting stat to track. LBJ is at 2.8, Ricky Rubio 3.6, Irving 3.0, CP3 3.6, Brogdon 2.8 all high usage players that I think Luka could aspire to be like in this way. He's not the best at everything, he also doesn't have to be as currently shown in the regular season. I guess you believe he doesn't need to improve in this way? Just think this is an odd bone to pick.

I am saying that assist to turnover might not be good enough indicator for comparing players as it doesn't take into account usage rate. Of course Luka can and should try to improve in all aspects of his game. Out of the names mentioned, only LBJ and Irving have comparable usage rate. All others are way below Luka.

(12-29-2019, 03:51 PM)burekemde Wrote: [ -> ]For instance his long range passes, I dont think anyone in the league is doing those at that rate and precision, not even attempting those, since they cant make them, one thing is that he is unique in that he has the height to even attempt to make those.

His long range passes, that not many or any before him have attempted before are also easier to pick once defenses have had time to know what your tendencies are, like in the playoffs and thereafter (if it's figured out in the playoffs, the book starts to get written and other teams start catching on). I hope that isn't the case for him, will be interesting to see how it plays out.

(12-29-2019, 03:52 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I think playoff Luka is going to be good. It's possible he gets nerves and doesn't play well in his first every NBA playoff series but he doesn't seem like a guy that gets nerves. If he does it might be for 1 half of the first game. I expect him to play extremely well. There isn't really anyone out there who can defend him one on one.

Luka is just a really special player. 

No one other player in the history of the NBA has had that much high level basketball experience coming into the league. He was MVP when he won the EuroLeague. He made history helping Slovenia get its first EuroBasket gold medal.

He's a different breed.

(12-29-2019, 04:49 PM)pedroffabreu Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2019, 03:52 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I think playoff Luka is going to be good. It's possible he gets nerves and doesn't play well in his first every NBA playoff series but he doesn't seem like a guy that gets nerves. If he does it might be for 1 half of the first game. I expect him to play extremely well. There isn't really anyone out there who can defend him one on one.

Luka is just a really special player. 

No one other player in the history of the NBA has had that much high level basketball experience coming into the league. He was MVP when he won the EuroLeague. He made history helping Slovenia get its first EuroBasket gold medal.

He's a different breed.

I've never seen him getting nerves. 16, 18 years old. Playing finals in Europe and National championships. His first two seasons in NBA fearless. Different breed indeed. I think he will take the last shot of the finals, game 7, last second shot, without any hesitation and without any nerve. That's just who Luka is.