(03-26-2021, 01:09 PM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Luka's subpar game against Minny was likely due to a back issue. Time for the other guys to continue to step up.
Might be. First I thought it was lack of motivation against a really bad team, but this might also be a reason. He was just awful. Turnovers, not playing defense at all, arguing with refs about nothing. He also played offball a lot.
(03-26-2021, 01:13 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Might be. First I thought it was lack of motivation against a really bad team, but this might also be a reason. He was just awful. Turnovers, not playing defense at all, arguing with refs about nothing. He also played offball a lot.
You could see that he wasn't right when he re-entered the game in the 4th quarter. He was visibly hobbling around for the first few possessions. It looked awkwardly funny but now it's more serious I guess...
(03-26-2021, 10:22 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I hope to God Cuban, who's made similar comments, and Donnie are right in the allure of Doncic but I think they are putting too much faith in it.
Here’s where I stand on this: they might be putting too much faith in it, especially for THIS summer, when he will only be 22. However, if he keeps on his current trajectory, he will at some point be the best player in the NBA. At that point, Hell yes, people will want to play with him.
Basically, we have to wait in line until 75% of the league looks up to Luka. Right now he’s just a kid to them.
(03-26-2021, 10:24 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Here’s where I stand on this: they might be putting too much faith in it, especially for THIS summer, when he will only be 22. However, if he keeps on his current trajectory, he will at some point be the best player in the NBA. At that point, Hell yes, people will want to play with him.
In Dallas? Would be a different story in LA or NY but even LeBron had to leave Cleveland because the front office wasn´t able to get him any help.
(03-26-2021, 10:27 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]In Dallas?
Yes.
And I’ll push back on your LeBron leaving Cleveland point by saying that they basically did what you all want the Mavericks to do, which is go for every shiny new toy that comes available. By the time he was able to leave, their cap was so screwed it was ridiculous. They had no means of getting him more help.
Look, just like we were talking about earlier today – this is how they are doing business right now. You don’t have to like it, but we are powerless to do anything about it, so you might as well hope for the best. Personally, I am still OK with this approach.
(03-26-2021, 10:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Look, just like we were talking about earlier today – this is how they are doing business right now. You don’t have to like it, but we are powerless to do anything about it, so you might as well hope for the best. Personally, I am still OK with this approach.
That´s certainly true. Doesn´t mean that I have to like it. Already getting my usual free agency PTSD and we haven´t even finished the season. Listening to Donnie and Mark is enough.
(03-26-2021, 10:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yes.
And I’ll push back on your LeBron leaving Cleveland point by saying that they basically did what you all want the Mavericks to do, which is go for every shiny new toy that comes available. By the time he was able to leave, their cap was so screwed it was ridiculous. They have no means of getting him more help.
Look, just like we were talking about earlier today – this is how they are doing business right now. You don’t have to like it, but we are powerless to do anything about it, so you might as well hope for the best. Personally, I am still OK with this approach.
It's not all of us.
I've often suggested we just move on from JRich/THJ this offseason even if it means taking a step back. The problem with that approach is the Mavs have a lot to prove in terms of asset management, drafting and free agency accusations. They need to get the needle pointed in the right direction in those categories or the "in Dallas?" question isn't going to be far fetched. I hope like hell Luka is loyal but not to the determent of his career.
(03-26-2021, 07:49 PM)BasketballJones41 Wrote: [ -> ]Markkanen to Dallas confirmed!
I have no idea what his price-tag will be, but it seems he will be marginalized some by the Vucevic acquisition. Is he still a starter? Probably, but Young and Theis seem like much better answers next to Vucevic defensively. Is he still a 17 point a game guy with most of the offensive focus going toward LaVine and Vuc? And, what does his long term future look like. Doesn't Patrick Williams eventually slot in as more of a four than a three?
In some ways Chicago pre-spent its summer cap room on a two-year deal for Vuc. (and had to eat the difference between Aminu and WCJ). They can have some cap room depending on what they do with Theis, Markkanen and the partially guaranteed deals for Young and Satoransky. If they keep LM, the cap room is gone. There was some thought they were after Lonzo. PG is probably their biggest need. But, scrapping together $20 million for Ball means moving on from Markkanen and a couple of guys from among Theis, Sato and Young (or doing a S&T with NO).
Is LM a fit financially for Dallas? It is hard to picture a sign and trade that salary matches, so that means cap room. Is LM at the four better than THJ as the backup 3/2? I guess that depends on Green (this is kind of the bet with any FA signing that moves on from THJ). KP is certainly a better rim protector than Vuc. Can LM and KP coexist defensively? What about rebounding? He would absolutely be a sweet shooting threat from the outside and he has a much more diverse offensive repertoire than Maxi. And it isn't KP and LM would share the floor 30 minutes a game (could be half that). I can easily see Luka and LM sitting when Brunson and Maxi come in. Then Luka and LM with the rest of the bench absolutely lights it up when the come back in and KP sits.
(03-27-2021, 03:45 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]In some ways Chicago pre-spent its summer cap room on a two-year deal for Vuc. (and had to eat the difference between Aminu and WCJ). They can have some cap room depending on what they do with Theis, Markkanen and the partially guaranteed deals for Young and Satoransky. If they keep LM, the cap room is gone. There was some thought they were after Lonzo. PG is probably their biggest need. But, scrapping together $20 million for Ball means moving on from Markkanen and a couple of guys from among Theis, Sato and Young (or doing a S&T with NO).
I think NO and Chicago are in a similar position and I would expect them to go for a SnT of Ball and Markannen. Perhaps even with each other. I don't see either matching a sizeable offer and I don't see either having enough cap space to go after the other. Personally, I am not a fan of Ball or Markannen.
I think Mavs will go for talent upgrade and I can see a scenario where they let Richardson and THJ walk. I think they will go after Collins, but I trully hope this will be in agreement with Hawks. Not just offering max salary hoping Hawks don't match. I think Mavs have to operate over the cap. Get creative, expand the deal with other teams. Instead of letting JRich and THJ walk we can use their bird rights and SnT them to a team they want to sign with. Paying cash or second round pick for a favour. What Boston did with Hayward. This allows us to bring in more salary than going out (go over the cap) and use full MLE. Hard cap still shouldn't be a problem.
Example - there are of course many other variations how this could be done. I assume we don't want to touch our core of Luka, KP, Maxi, DFS and Brunson, but we are prepared to let go THJ and JRich.
Assuming Collins gets 28 mil, we need 22,5 mil of outgoing salary. Let's say THJ signs for 15 mil with whoever. We only need to add 7 mil, can be covered by WCS and Burke (again, they can go anywhere - we just expand the deal with additional teams) and a reward for Atlanta for not matching Collins in the form of a FRP. So trade 1:
Dal: Collins
Team A: THJ
Team B and C: WCS, Burke
Atlanta: FRP
This would leave us Richardson and Powell salary to operate with. We can either resign JRich or use him in another SnT for the player we want. Let's say we want Lowry for 25 mil. SnT Richardson and a couple of second rounders and ship Powell anywhere with remaining assets. So, trade 2:
Dal: Lowry
Tor: 2 SRP
Team A: JRich
Team B: Powell
Use MLE for back-up guard or SF. This would leave us with:
Luka, Brunson, Terry
Lowry, Green, Hinton
DFS, MLE
Collins, Maxi
KP, vet min and/or Bobi
Of course this kind of stuff needs agreement from a lot of sides. Thankfully, Mavs GM has a couple of months to prepare everything.
Jackie MacMullan had a great great quote from an anonymous GM/coach with regards to the Nets, which sums up all the Mavs problems perfectly:
You can switch on (playing) defense. You cannot switch on (playing) offense. Offense is about talent.
(03-27-2021, 05:53 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Mavs have to operate over the cap. Get creative, expand the deal with other teams. Instead of letting JRich and THJ walk we can use their bird rights and SnT them to a team they want to sign with. Paying cash or second round pick for a favour. What Boston did with Hayward. This allows us to bring in more salary than going out (go over the cap) and use full MLE. Hard cap still shouldn't be a problem.
Of course this kind of stuff needs agreement from a lot of sides. Thankfully, Mavs GM has a couple of months to prepare everything.
I'll take what he's having....
Operating over the cap does bring certain advantages. Completely agree. But, I see all sorts of issues with this level of
fantasy complexity (heck, there are issues with half of this level of complexity).
1. It will be interesting to see how the league deals with all negotiations that so obviously occurred before the opening of free agency last time. Any crack-down at all will make sign and trade scenarios like this that much more difficult.
2. Have you met the Dallas Front office. What in their recent history tells us they could pull this off.
3. Double S&T's are really hard to pull off. And this plan requires Double S&T's with multiple teams needed for outgoing salary.
4. We'd be just asking to get Tyson Chandlered if we ask THJ and JRich to be patient while free agent money dries up and trust we are going to pull off TWO multi-team double S&T's.
5. I mention this in another thread, but the Hard Cap does matter. Not the 21 Hard Cap, but in 2022 when Luka's extension kicks in.
It is certainly possible that Dallas could pull off something that yields a third star (let's use Collins since that is your focus). If they did that over the cap and kept one of JRich/THJ, then they could spend the MLE to fill a hole. If they did all that, they'd be done for a while. No S&T or MLE in 2022. If they are really comfortable with the roster in 21, I can see busting the Hard Cap in 2022. But, then I go back to #2 above.
(03-27-2021, 08:47 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I'll take what he's having....
Operating over the cap does bring certain advantages. Completely agree. But, I see all sorts of issues with this level of fantasy complexity (heck, there are issues with half of this level of complexity).
1. It will be interesting to see how the league deals with all negotiations that so obviously occurred before the opening of free agency last time. Any crack-down at all will make sign and trade scenarios like this that much more difficult.
2. Have you met the Dallas Front office. What in their recent history tells us they could pull this off.
3. Double S&T's are really hard to pull off. And this plan requires Double S&T's with multiple teams needed for outgoing salary.
4. We'd be just asking to get Tyson Chandlered if we ask THJ and JRich to be patient while free agent money dries up and trust we are going to pull off TWO multi-team double S&T's.
5. I mention this in another thread, but the Hard Cap does matter. Not the 21 Hard Cap, but in 2022 when Luka's extension kicks in.
It is certainly possible that Dallas could pull off something that yields a third star (let's use Collins since that is your focus). If they did that over the cap and kept one of JRich/THJ, then they could spend the MLE to fill a hole. If they did all that, they'd be done for a while. No S&T or MLE in 2022. If they are really comfortable with the roster in 21, I can see busting the Hard Cap in 2022. But, then I go back to #2 above.
Come on Dan. Our MBT needs to start thinking more like Omahen. That was an outstanding outside the box trade proposal. Instead our front office takes 3 SRP's to dump Wright and all we get is an old (36) hobbled JJ Redick. Would this board been happy this past offseason if the deal was 3 SRP's and Wright straight up for Redick?
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