(06-07-2021, 04:51 PM)DallasBasketball Wrote: [ -> ]I like hearing that it’s overblown. I know Donnie is a boys in blue guy but I believe him. KP and Carlisle drama I hope is overblown as well.
I definitely think it's been overblown all year. Not really worried about them being best buds off the court and it's not like they're at each others throats on it. None of it changes that it isn't working from a basketball perspective though unfortunately.
(06-07-2021, 01:38 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@ItsGoTime is fond of saying that he wants to see KP after a real, actual off-season. I think it's possible that this makes a difference. Unfortunately, even if it does, my dude will probably get hurt again on Christmas Day, playing the Suns or something.
It's important to say with that that I want to see what he does on another team. For the reason you pointed out in the rest of the post. I also want to get most of THAT value from him in trade and I think the FO would too.
(06-07-2021, 04:54 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Live look at Donnie:
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That´s how I imagine it: Mark and Donnie talking about the offseason:
"I love our boys in blue. Don´t need any upgrades. Just a bit more maturity. WCS was great we need to reward him. He gets the full MLE. Melli is such a nice guy. He needs some money as well. BAE here we go. THJ gets a max extension."
"Oh no we are out of capspace and exceptions."
"No problem. We can trade a few 2nds, Richardson and one of the young guys for a veteran leader."
"But Mark you traded the last available 2nd round pick for Redick and he did not play a single playoff game."
"What a lovely podcast. Totally worth it. No 2nds left...do we have some 1sts?"
"The Knicks own the 21 and 23 first."
"Perfect that means the 27 first is available. We need to dump some salary and create capspace in 2022"
"What about the draft?"
"Any guys from India or Indonesia. COVID really hurt the business and I need to sell some jersey?"
"No but a great prospect from Greece"
"Meh. Trade the pick. We need a hard working vet. I miss Barnes and Matthews"
(06-07-2021, 01:46 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]I went from 50/50 a month ago on KP to 99/1 he is gone. Just not a fit, this is a good time to trade him. For what the Mavs need he is obviously not worth a max contract. Another team with different needs could talk themselves into KP being the answer. But is time with the Mavs is done.
I want this to be true (unless they are trading him for DeMarr freakin DeRosan), but for the reason KL said in the post above this, KP being back would be the most Mavs thing ever!
The Mavs aren't going to trade Tingus Pingus this offseason. So time to buckle up and see what we can get for JRich SnT and perhaps something for Maxi.
(06-07-2021, 05:34 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I want this to be true (unless they are trading him for DeMarr freakin DeRosan), but for the reason KL said in the post above this, KP being back would be the most Mavs thing ever!
Not happening. I was just thinking to myself how great Adams would be on the Mavs. Luka just excels so much with that type of center, even if they are getting phased out in some regard. Luka doesn't need a spacer at the 5, he can get that at other positions. Adams in there setting massive screens and rolling hard would be amazing. Grabbing tough rebounds. Dunking the ball in people's faces.
Not saying KP would get traded for Adams but I think Mavs have ammo to go get Adams if they want to. Mavs will need the ability to run small still in some situations but Luka gives Rick the ability to go big Luka with an elite rim roller is devastating. KP IS NOT THAT.
(06-07-2021, 07:46 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]Not happening. I was just thinking to myself how great Adams would be on the Mavs. Luka just excels so much with that type of center, even if they are getting phased out in some regard. Luka doesn't need a spacer at the 5, he can get that at other positions. Adams in there setting massive screens and rolling hard would be amazing. Grabbing tough rebounds. Dunking the ball in people's faces.
Not saying KP would get traded for Adams but I think Mavs have ammo to go get Adams if they want to. Mavs will need the ability to run small still in some situations but Luka gives Rick the ability to go big Luka with an elite rim roller is devastating. KP IS NOT THAT.
Think about all the times Luka dumped it into Boban and Boban paused, dropped the ball down(thanks Van Gundy!) and then couldn’t go up strong and allowed the little guys to come into the play and take the ball from him.
I don’t think that would happen with Adam’s.
(06-07-2021, 04:54 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Live look at Donnie:
Live look at this board...
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I hope everyone takes the time to actually watch the exit interviews above. The selected quotes tweeted by local journalists don't really do them justice, imo.
It sounds to me like KP FINALLY understands what he has to do, for example. Carlisle talked a lot about the defensive "job requirements" changing for the modern center, and he made it seem like there was meaningful communication between them.
Much more, too.
I think it was Rick that said Finley told Green that the offseason is where players get the biggest chunk of time to evolve their game and come back stronger. That is an important piece for all the young guys, including the things we've said about KP not getting that time for the last 3 years (as he himself said too).
I am firmly in the camp that the FO will not trade KP for what they deem lesser on court value after listening to those interviews (in other words, they will not dump him, or trade him for space or picks). I'd also say there is less of a chance that he gets moved than I previously thought. However, it only takes 1 desperate team.
(06-07-2021, 11:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I hope everyone takes the time to actually watch the exit interviews above. The selected quotes tweeted by local journalists don't really do them justice, imo.
It sounds to me like KP FINALLY understands what he has to do, for example. Carlisle talked a lot about the defensive "job requirements" changing for the modern center, and he made it seem like there was meaningful communication between them.
Much more, too.
Thanks for the advice/admonition. I've done Rick, KP and THJ so far. I don't get the impression either player is going anywhere. I don't think KP was selling false humility. He seems like a very introspective guy who is brutally honest with himself. He's got to change his game. The good news is he starts at a place of great talent. BTW, we all tend to focus on how he fits offensively. Carlisle seems to acknowledge this, but his priority seems to be more about making him work defensively. To me the roster question is less about KP and more about who is the PF next to him. Who is that guy that improves upon either Maxi or DFS?
THJ wants to be here. It helps that there probably isn't a big market for him and there are other guys who could similarly fill his role. The issue with Tim is he doesn't create or defend well enough to be the starting SG next to Luka. We know this because we've spent two summers trying to find someone other than him to play that role. BTW, Carlisle gave the job description ("rugged defender who shoots and can make simple plays"). That sounds much more like DFS than some PG who is the "secondary creator" that some here think is the highest priority. It also doesn't sound like THJ, who Carlisle said was a high priority. Not sure how to make all of that work other than THJ off the bench again.
One other thing Carlisle said is "we are going to have some cap space". That doesn't happen if KP stays and THJ is a "priority" unless JRich opts out.
(06-07-2021, 11:22 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]KP
Are you changing your stance? Do you think the Mavs no longer trade him?
(06-08-2021, 08:21 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Are you changing your stance? Do you think the Mavs no longer trade him?
I know you're not asking me but I don't think the Mavs ever wanted to trade him. I do think they've moved KP from untouchable to "if there's a good offer", which is a big step given what we thought the Luka-KP duo would be.
But while I believe that they're going to listen to offers this offseason, but they're ultimately going to decide that all the offers don't make the more Mavs competitive in the immediate future than just keeping KP.
And listening to KP's exit interview, he said all the right things. Actions speak louder than words though. I hope he really takes what he said to heart and comes back next year with that different mindset.
(06-08-2021, 10:20 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I know you're not asking me but I don't think the Mavs ever wanted to trade him. I do think they've moved KP from untouchable to "if there's a good offer", which is a big step given what we thought the Luka-KP duo would be.
But while I believe that they're going to listen to offers this offseason, but they're ultimately going to decide that all the offers don't make the more Mavs competitive in the immediate future than just keeping KP.
If they don´t want to trade Porzingis this off-season after they bubble-wrapped him for a whole play-off series, it´s just stupid.
While I am criticial of Porzingis the performer, you cannot use him in this pathetic (health protective) way and then keep him. That´s just gross.
Kawhi took the main responsibility to guard Luka for the last 2-3 games, so somebody else was guarding Porzingis. Now I get that he might not be as fast/agile anymore as he was last year, but I really fail to see how that impacts his offense, which mainly consists of his ability to catch and shoot from long range, whether it´s open or over guys that are a foot shorter than him. He was also successfully rim-running from the weakside as long as there was no physical contact risk, so his movement could not have been completely compromised either.
To me Porzingis and the Mavs decided, that it´s best to move on this summer and both sides tried their hardest to avoid another injury.
If not, and this is really their idea of how to use a $30M max player in the play-offs, (or Porzingis idea of what rim-protection, rebounding and help defense are supposed to look like), then we are truly f*****.
My impression after listening - 1) Yes, KP is less likely to be moved than we thought. Hmpf. 2) After listening to THJ's interview, I think he's been partaking of some THC. If he's insistent on being a starter as part of coming back, the Mavs should move on. With his inadequate defense, there isn't room for him to be a starter next to Luka if the Mavs are going to look to improve the starting lineup moving forward.
(06-08-2021, 11:48 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]My impression after listening - 1) Yes, KP is less likely to be moved than we thought. Hmpf. 2) After listening to THJ's interview, I think he's been partaking of some THC. If he's insistent on being a starter as part of coming back, the Mavs should move on. With his inadequate defense, there isn't room for him to be a starter next to Luka if the Mavs are going to look to improve the starting lineup moving forward.
I'm not so sure we need to take any of the exit interviews too seriously in terms of team direction. Donnie basically plays the same lines every year and sometimes they shake up the starting lineup and sometimes they don't. This feels like a time where they will. In my opinion, Rick's use of KP in the playoffs trumps anything that was said in exit interviews. That kind of feels like him saying that this guy can't do what we're paying him to do.
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