(12-06-2020, 10:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@Kammrath Judging by Carlisle's comments today on Bey, he sees him as a natural 4, but it seems that like YOU, coach thinks his path onto the floor is as a 3&D 3/4 combo...I will admit defeat on this one, but I don't think this bodes well for the idea that Bey will make much of a contribution anytime soon.
I just listened to all his comments and didn't come away with RC seeing Bey as a "natural 4" (whatever that might actually mean anyway). *shrug*
Either way, I was really excited with how positive RC's comments were on him. It almost feels like coach has seen enough already to give him a lot of hope in him. I was also really excited by Bey's own comments that basically what he needs to do to get on the court is work on his shooting and being "dialed in" and not letting his attention lapse.
I am personally hopeful that Bey might see some decent bursts of floor time by the end of the season and not just an endless string of DNPs. In my personal evals I actually think he is more ready to contribute than Green if his shooting has in fact improved like RC intimated. I really think Bey is an ELITE ELITE defender if he can stay focused on the details.
(12-07-2020, 12:58 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I just listened to all his comments and didn't come away with RC seeing Bey as a "natural 4" (whatever that might actually mean anyway). *shrug*
Either way, I was really excited with how positive RC's comments were on him. It almost feels like coach has seen enough already to give him a lot of hope in him. I was also really excited by Bey's own comments that basically what he needs to do to get on the court is work on his shooting and being "dialed in" and not letting his attention lapse.
I am personally hopeful that Bey might see some decent bursts of floor time by the end of the season and not just an endless string of DNPs. In my personal evals I actually think he is more ready to contribute than Green if his shooting has in fact improved like RC intimated. I really think Bey is an ELITE ELITE defender if he can stay focused on the details.
I didn’t mean for that to be some kind of contentious take away. It’s just that every single minute of video you showed us was of him playing the 4, and you and I even agreed the other day (I thought) that this was his natural position. Maybe natural is not the right word, but it’s definitely the position he played in college.
I thought that entire chunk of Carlisle talking about him was basically “well, he’s got to play more than one position to get on the floor, and the 3 is actually quite different than the 4.” That’s not even much of a paraphrase - he actually said that stuff. I basically took it as coach speak signaling they want him to learn how to be a combo forward… Just like you do...even though it’s a new skillset for him. I was basically saying that you had it right.
Why you chose to react like you did in the first paragraph, I guess I just don’t know. Sorry if it came off in some kind of argumentative way. It IS a completely different skillset, even in “positionless basketball.” I thought I was pretty careful to word my post as an obvious admission that they’re going to try to do with him what I didn’t expect them to try.
JJ Sighting!
Ric already working with TBey's shot mechanics
(12-07-2020, 01:41 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I didn’t mean for that to be some kind of contentious take away. It’s just that every single minute of video you showed us was of him playing the 4, and you and I even agreed the other day (I thought) that this was his natural position. Maybe natural is not the right word, but it’s definitely the position he played in college.
I wasn't reacting in a contentious way. I just didn't understand your statement. Now I do.
I would say Bey played the 4 all throughout college no question. But I do not think it is his "natural" position. And I don't think that is what RC is saying either. By "natural" I think of having intuitive instincts for something that are deeply ingrained. I think Bey is just used to being a "big" in the last two years, but I see a ton of on court instincts that tell me that I think wing will be much more "natural" for him once he absorbs the position.
It could take years for Bey to develop, you may be totally right. I just personally think it will be quicker and I was encouraged by what I heard from RC and from Bey himself. We'll see I may be dead wrong on him.
(12-07-2020, 08:30 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]We'll see I may be dead wrong on him.
My dude, I am literally saying the exact opposite of this.
But seriously, go listen again. Carlisle is literally saying (paraphrase incoming) that Bey has to learn a new position to get on the floor, and that it's "actually quite different" than the one he already knows how to play. I agree that he ALSO said many complimentary and encouraging things about him.
I regret using the word "natural" as it took this conversation away from my point, somehow, which was "you were right."
So much good stuff in that second Carlisle interview - not only about Bey, but in general. He was definitely in "genuine, candid" mode for that one.
In addition to publicly doubling down on the need to improve defensively and mentioning that they're spending a higher percentage of practice time on it, he mentioned that they've "made a couple of changes" to their defensive philosophy. I find that comment to be very, very intriguing.
Another player mentioned recently (Johnson, maybe?) that they were trying to be "really aggressive" defending pick and rolls. I wonder if Carlisle was specifically alluding to pick and roll defense with that philosophy comment...maybe they're trying to do away with that deep drop coverage? Man, I hope so. Either way, can't wait to see what those comments were about.
https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1335979034388393995
Quote:I’ve watched Josh Green for a long time, because my son [Jack] is the same age as Josh and played on the AAU circuit, so when Josh was a sophomore and a junior in high school I was watching him.
Josh’s combination of athleticism and size, with his skillset, is really what NBA teams are looking for.
He’s got a great body, great size at 6-5½. And his athleticism is powerful. He’s a very powerful guy. And at 20 years old he’s just built that way, not that he doesn’t lift weights hard; he’s just a very powerful athlete.
And then when you start adding in his upside and the way he can shoot the ball on the offensive side, you’ve got really what most teams are looking for on the perimeter right now: A guy who can really guard and can make open shots.
Quote:Tyler Bey, really a great get for Dallas. He’s a role guy, great knack for the basket, knack for the ball. A great defender and rebounder, great size. His shooting has improved tremendously and will continue to. I actually spoke to one of the developmental coaches down in Dallas and he mentioned that Tyler was shooting the ball well.
Tyler’s going to be one of those guys who, if you look at a lot of championship teams over the years, they have the one guy who does a lot of little things. He’s obviously the Pac 12 defensive player of the year. He rebounds. He’s got a great knack for putting the ball in the basket.
He plays a lot like Antawn Jamison. He has those little flip shots. And then with Tyler, he’s knocking down threes now and in today’s game, as you know, you’ve got to be able to do that.
He’s really a promising young guy who is another nice kid. Quiet, soft-spoken. But his body, he’s the prototypical guy who can guard the three, he can guard the four, he can guard the two a little bit. In small lineups he might be able to guard the five. He’s very versatile on the defensive end.
We have great intel in terms of which teams need a guy like that. There were two or three teams in the 20s that we thought could be a possibility. Matter of fact, I think if Tyrell Terry had gone earlier, then maybe Tyler would have gone 31 because he’s a guy I know they had their eyes on.
So I think they were thrilled he was still there.
I think Tyler Bey is going to be a really good player in the league. He fits a role and that’s really important.
I swear this trainer is higher on Bey than Green, just like I am.
(12-07-2020, 11:57 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/townbrad/status/1335979034388393995
Quote:I’ve watched Josh Green for a long time, because my son [Jack] is the same age as Josh and played on the AAU circuit, so when Josh was a sophomore and a junior in high school I was watching him.
Josh’s combination of athleticism and size, with his skillset, is really what NBA teams are looking for.
He’s got a great body, great size at 6-5½. And his athleticism is powerful. He’s a very powerful guy. And at 20 years old he’s just built that way, not that he doesn’t lift weights hard; he’s just a very powerful athlete.
And then when you start adding in his upside and the way he can shoot the ball on the offensive side, you’ve got really what most teams are looking for on the perimeter right now: A guy who can really guard and can make open shots.
Quote:Tyler Bey, really a great get for Dallas. He’s a role guy, great knack for the basket, knack for the ball. A great defender and rebounder, great size. His shooting has improved tremendously and will continue to. I actually spoke to one of the developmental coaches down in Dallas and he mentioned that Tyler was shooting the ball well.
Tyler’s going to be one of those guys who, if you look at a lot of championship teams over the years, they have the one guy who does a lot of little things. He’s obviously the Pac 12 defensive player of the year. He rebounds. He’s got a great knack for putting the ball in the basket.
He plays a lot like Antawn Jamison. He has those little flip shots. And then with Tyler, he’s knocking down threes now and in today’s game, as you know, you’ve got to be able to do that.
He’s really a promising young guy who is another nice kid. Quiet, soft-spoken. But his body, he’s the prototypical guy who can guard the three, he can guard the four, he can guard the two a little bit. In small lineups he might be able to guard the five. He’s very versatile on the defensive end.
We have great intel in terms of which teams need a guy like that. There were two or three teams in the 20s that we thought could be a possibility. Matter of fact, I think if Tyrell Terry had gone earlier, then maybe Tyler would have gone 31 because he’s a guy I know they had their eyes on.
So I think they were thrilled he was still there.
I think Tyler Bey is going to be a really good player in the league. He fits a role and that’s really important.
I swear this trainer is higher on Bey than Green, just like I am.
Tiger Freakin' Bay. Unh unh unh.
Josh Green looks SMALL....haha...
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Love seeing RC repeatedly taking Bey under his wing.... best way to get in the rotation is to be the coach's pet....
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Kamm how crushed will you be if the Mavs cut Bey by the end of next year?
Hey, he's on a two-way contract, so at least we know they won't cut him at the end of camp for Barea.
(12-07-2020, 02:12 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, I’ve said from the very start of this long KP conversation that I’m leaving room for the idea that they can figure out how to use him in a more effective way to assuage some of my concerns. I just haven’t seen him be the offensive creator I think they need, YET.
In the next post, it seems like you are saying that two max players who are worthy of max contracts should automatically put you in championship contention. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but that seems to be your point. If so, then no, I just simply disagree.
I’m sure from past conversations that you think Gobert is a max player. A lot of people would, even if you don’t. Donovan Mitchell is pretty obviously on his way to being a max player. If those two continue to be the two best players on the jazz, I doubt they will ever come even remotely close to contending for a championship. Luka and KP are way closer. Throw Luka into that Utah mix, somehow, without losing Mitchell, and all of a sudden you’ve really got something with Gobert.
(12-07-2020, 04:02 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Love seeing RC repeatedly taking Bey under his wing.... best way to get in the rotation is to be the coach's pet....
I think Luka needs to have a talk with him about that FEAR tattoo. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering, I don't know the next step, but the final step is...PROFIT!
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