(07-03-2022, 12:25 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have an agenda against Brunson's camp OR for the Mavs.
Yes, this shows the Mavs in a poor light and their mistake.
It is another piece of evidence. That's what I care about. I want the truth, not agendas.
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But docking them a 1st round pick doesn’t mean we will get it, right? Usually they just forfeit outright. If that’s the case would we have access to our picks to trade earlier if they have to give back 2023?
I guess I'm confused. If NY gets punished for tampering, the penalty is to them and them alone... the Mavs wouldn't then receive those picks/fine?
(07-05-2022, 09:17 AM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's transparently obvious that the penalty should be that we get our '23 pick back.
100%. It´s absolutely stupid that the punishment is not a compensation for the team that was cheated out of a fair process. Like the Knicks care if they lose the 45th pick next year to nobody.
I mean, the penalty should be that JB can’t go there cause the investigation should be finished before the beginning of the season. However, they’ll drag their feet and wait til the season starts and then levy the penalty of a pick that is just forfeited and not given to us.
(07-05-2022, 10:14 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, the penalty should be that JB can’t go there cause the investigation should be finished before the beginning of the season. However, they’ll drag their feet and wait til the season starts and then levy the penalty of a pick that is just forfeited and not given to us.
To be fair Mark Cuban did the same thing with DeAndre Jordan 2.0, but the punishment was that we had to keep that bum instead of signing Brook Lopez, Julius Randle and DeMarcus Cousins for the same money a week later. And that´s all three, not one for the same money.
(07-05-2022, 10:03 AM)MarkAguirreWrathofGod Wrote: [ -> ]But docking them a 1st round pick doesn’t mean we will get it, right? Usually they just forfeit outright. If that’s the case would we have access to our picks to trade earlier if they have to give back 2023?
I think it would set a new precedent for the league if the Mavs received that '23 back so I doubt it's possible. However, I would love this!
(07-05-2022, 10:19 AM)BoredAssistant Wrote: [ -> ]I think it would set a new precedent for the league if the Mavs received that '23 back so I doubt it's possible. However, I would love this!
We can´t receive our own pick back. That´s just a coincidence.
It would have to be the Knicks pick and I think it´s actually the most logical punishment, cause the pick can be as high as #1.
You think twice about pissing away the #1 pick for Jalen Brunson or Lonzo Ball.
A 2nd round pick or money, eh whatever.
Also the punishment needs to increase on the Bulls/Bucks situations, cause the teams just blatantly ignored the warning shot.
If the NBA is serious about stopping tampering (I have my doubts) then agree that the punishment needs to be something that actually makes the teams stop and think.
Sending a first round pick from the tampering team to the tampered team seems like a good way to do that. I don't think they actually will, but it would provide a punishment for the tampering team and compensate the impacted team fairly.
(07-05-2022, 10:23 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]We can´t receive our own pick back. That´s just a coincidence.
It would have to be the Knicks pick and I think it´s actually the most logical punishment, cause the pick can be as high as #1.
You think twice about pissing away the #1 pick for Jalen Brunson or Lonzo Ball.
A 2nd round pick or money, eh whatever.
Also the punishment needs to increase on the Bulls/Bucks situations, cause the teams just blatantly ignored the warning shot.
Yep, these things are typically a slap on the wrist....if that. I would be more willing to tell the Knicks we won't vent any complaints if they give us a .10 asset back....or something small. Throw in Jerico Sims or a two way guy. Probably won't happen, but them losing a '23 second is basically nothing.
Seems like the simplest way for the league to settle it is just to give us our 2023 pick back from NYK
(07-05-2022, 11:27 AM)DrMav Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like the simplest way for the league to settle it is just to give us our 2023 pick back from NYK
Just to clarify, when I said it, it was tongue in cheek. Perhaps we should offer to bitch less if they do this as a sign-and-trade with our pick coming back to us. Hard to think of any other way to motivate them to do that.
Would prefer they gave us Knicks 2023 1 round pick, then our own.
In reality, i don't believe anything like this would happen.
It would be enough, if they don´t allow him to sign with the Knicks. That leaves exactly who with significant capspace? Pistons, Pacers, Magic and Spurs? Only Spurs need a lead guard.
Otherwise we are suddenly in the S&T business with a great piece.
Makes no difference for the Mavs. Couldn´t care less about the outcome. Mavs fans need to get over the hateful ex stage. Not a good look. Even more desperate than Hawks fans that are still trying to win the Luka-Trae trade.
(07-05-2022, 11:40 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Makes no difference for the Mavs. Couldn´t care less about the outcome. Mavs fans need to get over the hateful ex stage. Not a good look. Even more desperate than Hawks fans that are still trying to win the Luka-Trae trade.
How do you know that?
We have seen 2nd round pick punishments that were no deterrent to the offending teams. We have seen the Bucks voluntarily pull out of their purchase of Bogdanovic.
I find a 1st round pick transfer punishment justified, but unlikely. It really doesn´t punish the player either, who also participated in the tampering.
A 2nd round pick and that Brunson can´t sign with the Knicks is something that I could possibly see as a sanction that would be massive for the Mavs. It leaves them with a S&T asset that could yield a major return. I think the Nets would trade Irving straight up for Brunson.