MavsBoard

(06-28-2022, 06:50 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1419695882467938305

Wow.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

(06-28-2022, 06:41 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]You're the one assuming they're about to get their '23 pick back. They'll have to use it to clear space to sign him anyway, right?

I don't think price for moving Burks or Noel is a FRP. Another thing to consider - Dallas FRP might actually become a decent pick, based on how "successfully" they are building the roster compared to competition.

(06-28-2022, 06:56 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Wow.  I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

When do I get to create the "I told you so" thread about trading JB?  Why am I always right?

(06-28-2022, 07:03 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]When do I get to create the "I told you so" thread about trading JB?  Why am I always right?

I think you just did.

(06-28-2022, 06:56 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think price for moving Burks or Noel is a FRP. Another thing to consider - Dallas FRP might actually become a decent pick, based on how "successfully" they are building the roster compared to competition.

Yeah positive side effect of the signing. Makes Mavs worse, but not bad enough to keep the pick. So stealing Brunson probably improves the pick by 6-10 spots for the Knicks. Given how much it costs these days to trade up a few spots, that´s not bad.

(06-28-2022, 07:05 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah positive side effect of the signing. Makes Mavs worse, but not bad enough to keep the pick. So stealing Brunson probably improves the pick by 6-10 spots for the Knicks. Given how much it costs these days to trade up a few spots, that´s not bad.

I like Brunson a lot and it sucks if he is bailing, but losing Brunson is not going to cost 6-10 spots.

---

(06-28-2022, 07:03 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]When do I get to create the "I told you so" thread about trading JB?  Why am I always right?

Are you going to mention that you didn't think Brunson was worth have his max extension last summer?

(06-28-2022, 06:56 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think price for moving Burks or Noel is a FRP. Another thing to consider - Dallas FRP might actually become a decent pick, based on how "successfully" they are building the roster compared to competition.

They paid a first (Lottery pick) to get off Kemba.  What make you think getting off those contracts is going to be less than a first?

And what is decent pick? Pick 15 through 18? If Luka is major injury free the Mavs won't miss the playoffs and if they do that pick will end up top 10 (which is protected).

(06-28-2022, 07:11 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]but losing Brunson is not going to cost 6-10 spots.

Are you sure? 

What if something else goes wrong and Brunson isn't around to pick up the slack this time? 

Man, I think Brunson is a GREAT player.

(06-28-2022, 07:13 PM)Playmaker Wrote: [ -> ]They paid a first (Lottery pick) to get off Kemba. 

No they didn't. They paid 4 SRP to get off Kemba

(06-28-2022, 07:11 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Are you going to mention that you didn't think Brunson was worth have his max extension last summer?

I don't recall saying that.

(06-28-2022, 07:15 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I don't recall saying that.

https://www.mavsboard.com/showthread.php?tid=1100&pid=113354#pid113354

Quote:Caruso is my litmus test for the contract and I wouldn't pay Jalen more than him.  Jalen's a better scorer, Caruso has a better all-around game and doesn't come with the same athletic limitations.  MBT have had a really bad habit of overpaying rotational guys (Powell, WCS, Bullock) and they need to buck that trend.

(06-28-2022, 07:15 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]No they didn't. They paid 4 SRP to get off Kemba

So what do you think it cost to get off Noel and/or Burks?

(06-28-2022, 07:21 PM)Playmaker Wrote: [ -> ]So what do you think it cost to get off Noel and/or Burks?

Depends. Are we envisioning them going to Dallas, or a good franchise?

(06-28-2022, 07:21 PM)Playmaker Wrote: [ -> ]So what do you think it cost to get off Noel and/or Burks?

I think a couple of second rounders should be enough, especially for Burks. As DanS also mentioned - it might be even enough to just dump Reddish. Coach doesn't want to play him anyway and he might likely even bring something

(06-28-2022, 07:19 PM)Fuerza1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.mavsboard.com/showthread.php?tid=1100&pid=113354#pid113354

$7M would have been a bargain!  And my next post in that thread?  I stand by those sentiments.

(06-28-2022, 07:15 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I don't recall saying that.

Yeah, I probably should not have called you out.  When this shit starting going down and folks were talking about the ineptitude of this FO not to sign him to max extension I went back and looked what the group thought was at the time.  There was a thread soon after the Clippers series regarding Dorian and Brunson extensions.  Most of the conversation was regarding Brunson and the general consensus was that he was not worth the max extension.  You were one of the more vocal on the anti side.  I agree we should have traded Brunson at the TDL, but NY would have been the only legit trading partner and maybe they were not offering much.  Luka may have been pissed regarding such a trade as well.  Regardless, it was not that obvious to pull the trigger on his max extension last summer.

(06-28-2022, 07:30 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I probably should not have called you out.  When this shit starting going down and folks were talking about the ineptitude of this FO not to sign him to max extension I went back and looked what the group thought was at the time.  There was a thread soon after the Clippers series regarding Dorian and Brunson extensions.  Most of the conversation was regarding Brunson and the general consensus was that he was not worth the max extension.  You were one of the more vocal on the anti side.  I agree we should have traded Brunson at the TDL, but NY would have been the only legit trading partner and maybe they were not offering much.  Luka may have been pissed regarding such a trade as well.  Regardless, it was not that obvious to pull the trigger on his max extension last summer.

I'll own it though I think context is important even if you want to throw away Jalen's previous playoff performances.  I'm bad with NBA player value in general but reading through my thoughts, they really haven't changed for the enigma that is Jalen.  He took a leap this year and I'd be happy to have him at THJ's contract.  Above that I think you get into the overpay but tradeable.  And anywhere approaching his theoretical max and I think it becomes an albatross.  He might be our second best player, but I don't think that's a championship recipe and therefor you shouldn't pay him as such.  

Hindsight and all which makes the Monday morning quarterbacking fun.

(06-28-2022, 05:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The big deal is that they should've traded him at the deadline if they didn't want to pay what it would take to keep him.

That I agree with. I have always liked him. But, I wanted them to trade him at the deadline for an upgrade at the wing. If he does go to the Knicks for $100 million it's an overpay.

(06-28-2022, 07:38 PM)audiosway Wrote: [ -> ]That I agree with. I have always liked him. But, I wanted them to trade him at the deadline for an upgrade at the wing. If he does go to the Knicks for $100 million it's an overpay.

IF, big if, he leaves, we really don't know the timing of events that led to the Mavs relationship falling apart or Jalen making his decision short of Twitter reports which I'm pretty skeptical of in the first place.  

I know it's hard to give the MBT the benefit of the doubt as they certainly have earned the "what can go wrong, will go wrong" reputation.  I'm still of the mind that a big contract for him is a mistake or wheel spinning at best, but I've failed pretty spectacularly at projecting him thus far.  I think I'd be more impressed by the MBT for not overpaying him but I do appreciate everyone's concern.  

I guess it comes down to what you can backfill him on for a budget.  Squeeze GPII into the starting lineup and let Dragic and Dinwiddie run the second team, you have more defense on the first unit and more offensive punch on the second.