(06-30-2022, 09:56 AM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]So the Mavs offer is less money spread out over more years? That’s embarrassing and insulting if true.
The Knicks offer is supposedly 4/110. Minus 41 home games at 8.5% state income tax, it’s the equivalent of Mavs offering 4/105. JB getting a 5th year PO to guarantee another 20M dollars right now is nothing to scoff at.
[b]JUNE 30, 10:04am:[/b]
The Heat have now put out word that they never had a meeting scheduled with Brunson and don’t intend to meet with him today, according to local reporters Ira Winderman, Tim Reynolds, and Anthony Chiang.
(06-30-2022, 01:50 AM)Branduil Wrote: [ -> ]About the $125 million, my two questions are #1) Who leaked it? and #2) Why?
It's hard to see why anyone would leak it except for someone in Brunson's camp. So that goes to the why, in which case it's either
a) Brunson legitimately will stay if Cuban offers that number
b) He knows Cuban won't offer that number, and is laying the groundwork for (proper) blame when he leaves
If b is true, then the only response should be that Cuban needs to be run out of town immediately, before Luka forces his own way out. $25 million per year for Brunson is more than a fair price, and more importantly keeps together the team that made the WCF. It is impossible to imagine this team winning titles with such a cheapskate owner.
Hearing the $125M yesterday told me this is far from over like the media is reporting. It became clear this isn't just the reporting of news, but a very real and very public negotiation for JB's next contract. Given...
1) expected future salary cap growth,
2) the lack of other FA guard options,
3) and the fact that some of the Mavs larger contracts roll off over the life of that contract
... I actually wouldn't be surprised if JB is back next year. That was an olive branch his management team just extended to mavs leadership.
Put me down for the bold prediction of JB re-signing with the mavs
(06-30-2022, 09:59 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]JB granting an audience to get the Knicks out of tampering charges.
The Mavs giving an offer that they know he will refuse but can claim they tried their best.
Both sides know what the deal is and looking out for their own agendas.
Shouldn't the Mavs be working on getting a T-MLE target done to replace him as best as possible?
Doing a meeting for optics feels pretty dumb.
Miami can’t pay Jalen outright, right? Why would we work to get him there. His agent is a nobody (as far as I know). Duncan Robinson can’t even stay in the rotation since he got paid. Herro is a no defense, less durable Version of JB. Why would we pay him 25m and not Brunson? Whole thing is strange. F’ Miami
Ahh just read that post saying Miami not involved at all. Either someone was fed/made up erroneous info, or Rick Brunson is outta control. This whole circus seems very amateur ish and below the dignity of the seemingly very professional Jalen Brunson
(06-28-2022, 03:26 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I think at this point in the process, if you're an agent of a player in Brunson's situation and you don't have his team thinking that he's likely going to bolt for another team then you're not doing your job properly.
All the winds seem to be blowing towards NY right now (agent: "Dallas, you really need to offer more if you want my client to stay") and I wouldn't be surprised to start getting reports tomorrow that all the talk of Brunson heading to NY is overblown and that Brunson really prefers to stay in Dallas (agent: "Okay NY, Dallas as upped their offer, so you need to offer more if you want to stay in the game.)
I think there's a good chance this culminates in a max or very near max offer to Brunson from Dallas.
But I'm not an agent, so I could be way wrong on this 
Jmac, you're a decent poster and incredibly good looking, but don't get your hopes up that this is happening just because there's now a meeting scheduled with the Mavs and Skin is talking about the 1% chance.
I will be disappointed if Cuban doesn't offer 5/125. Like others have pointed out, it never should have came to this, but Cuban needs to make that offer. It may be too little too late, but he can't low ball his own players. I'm curious to see the backup plan if Jalen goes to the Knicks.
(06-30-2022, 10:57 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Jmac, you're a decent poster and incredibly good looking, but don't get your hopes up that this is happening just because there's now a meeting scheduled with the Mavs and Skin is talking about the 1% chance.
Most stuff I read today mentions it as a formality to avoid tampering charges.
(06-30-2022, 11:01 AM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Most stuff I read today mentions it as a formality to avoid tampering charges.
Yeah, and that's probably more realistic, but I'll continue to hope until the ink is dry
Cato is lowering expectations per his article in the Athletic
Some of his thoughts
*Said it is almost a certainly he signs with the Knicks.
* not clear if Brunson would return even if we matched the knicks offer.
*As of Tuesday Dallas had not been prepared to increase their offer.
*Finley was the main advocate for drafting Brunson in 2018
*when dallas decided not to offer 4 for 55 it was based on the thought the deal they could have signed him to was less value than the opportunity cost of potential trades they could pursue with him involved.
*Team sources has expressed surprise and dismay at how much the KNicks are prepared to offer him.
Some other stuff....really reads how badly Dallas was caught with their pants down. Can't happen. And it happens a lot.
(06-30-2022, 11:02 AM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, and that's probably more realistic, but I'll continue to hope until the ink is dry
I’m still in the camp that the Mavs chances are at 50%. It looks like there isn’t gonna be a dark horse that I thought there would be, so NY now owns the full other 50%. It probably does come down to the money, but I am questioning and conspiracy theorizing everything related to this whole fiasco. Almost feels like Donnie Nelson is running the campaign to get JB paid!
(06-30-2022, 11:15 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]I’m still in the camp that the Mavs chances are at 50%. It looks like there isn’t gonna be a dark horse that I thought there would be, so NY now owns the full other 50%. It probably does come down to the money, but I am questioning and conspiracy theorizing everything related to this whole fiasco. Almost feels like Donnie Nelson is running the campaign to get JB paid!
TBH, my realistic thought is that there is a list of things that JB wants (run his own team, $$$, winning, working with his dad, etc) that neither Dallas nor NY can completely fulfill. I imagine he has a certain (different) number in his head of what he would accept to play for each team based on how many checkboxes that team checks and how many things he would have to give up.
I think it's pretty clear that the number to sign with the Mavs is much higher than the number to sign with the Knicks, and the Knicks have already matched Jalen's number of what would make it work for him to sign there. The Mavs pretty clearly did not (initially) match the number Jalen had to sign with them and that's why all signs pointed to him signing with the Knicks.
My hope is that the Mavs have communicated that they are raising their offer to match up with what Jalen had in mind and that is why he called the meeting in order to see the final pitch and determine the actual best fit.
I agree that avoiding tampering could be the main purpose, but in reality I think it's pretty easy to avoid tampering charges as long as they don't announce the contract at 6:01 EST, so I'm not sure that setting up a meeting really makes a difference with tampering.
If Cuban doesn’t want to pay Brunson, then wtf is his plan B?
Miami not being part of the meeting pretty much signals he is going to NY. My god, all this drama over Brunson.
(06-30-2022, 11:29 AM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]If Cuban doesn’t want to pay Brunson, then wtf is his plan B?
GPII
(06-30-2022, 09:47 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Been reading all the posts from the last 24 hours and just thought I'd put my random, uninformed dirty dozen comments out there...
- FWIW, I've been in the "$25M/yr is too much camp" for most of the last week. I'm still (mostly) there, but hate losing 3-4 years of investment for nothing.
- This is all Kidd's fault. If he hadn't promised to get JB paid we wouldn't be in this predicament.
- If we can get JB to stay for $22-25M over 5 years, it will feel a lot less painful in year 4 than it does today. Especially if there is a Larry O on the shelf by then. Not sure the MBT is on board with that.
- NYK have cleared cap space to take in JB without any SnT, which itself is suspicious for tampering.
- I'm interested in the Miami addition to the talks. Maybe it's a smokescreen, but maybe Pat is trying to eliminate another potential rival.
- Miami would HAVE to do an SnT, correct?
- The announced meetings on Thursday are intriguing. I hope DAL gets the last meeting so they can respond to whatever he's heard.
- If the meetings are just a fig leaf for tampering charges, then DAL should get some compensation from NYK for participating if JB signs there. Maybe do an SnT with just a trade exception back? Maybe remove the conditions on the 2023 FRP? Why not both?
- I think JB is a great teammate and an asset to the Mavs, but this is Luka's team, and you know what they say..."if you are not the lead dog, the view never changes." So if JB thinks he wants to be the big dog, it's not going to be in DAL.
- I don't know why DAL didn't sign JB up last summer, other than he got smoked by LACs and everyone was wondering if he could bring enough value to be worth even $12-15M. Hindsight being 20/20.
- JB is going to get paid because of a combination of 1) 3 playoff games against UTA and 2) NYKs are desperate to at least look like they are trying to build a team. Personally, I think they'll go something like 32-50 next season, the shine will be off and the NY media will be sharpening knives.
- All that said, there is a certain perverse pleasure at keeping JB and kicking NYKs in the "Gortats".
Dallas never had any interest in JB being here long term, signed or not signed. He is the first piece dangled in any trade talks, confirmation that he was offered in the package of picks to try and get Haliburton, just about confirms it IMO. If they played their cards right, they have a very appetising JB on an attractive contract that they move the first opportunity they get. They stuffed that up, but bottom line is, I don't think anyone at the Mavs wanted JB here long term, they will just wished they had locked him up sooner and cheaper so they could be at the table for deals for better players than they will now.
It was a bad situation the Mavs put themselves in, but they lost a trade asset and not a long term piece plain and simple IMO. JB was never going to stay in Dallas one way or the other.
(06-30-2022, 11:29 AM)Dirknows Wrote: [ -> ]If Cuban doesn’t want to pay Brunson, then wtf is his plan B?
Actually run with THJ, figure out what we have with Wood. Round out the roster with a little extra defense. Avoid the sunk cost fallacy and don't cap the team's long term ceiling by severely overpaying the Mo Williams to Luka's LeBron just because he did the same thing to Utah Reggie Jackson did last year without Kawhi
(06-30-2022, 10:05 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]The Knicks offer is supposedly 4/110. Minus 41 home games at 8.5% state income tax, it’s the equivalent of Mavs offering 4/105. JB getting a 5th year PO to guarantee another 20M dollars right now is nothing to scoff at.
Well, since the Mavs apparently offered 5/106, even with an incomplete analysis taking only one tax/fee/charge into account, the Mavs numbers don’t add up. I wonder if the Mavs are serious at all? The next test of competence will be converting this into a sign and trade and salvaging a decent asset. If they can’t even manage that, the the Mavs are just chumps.