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(06-30-2022, 11:45 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Complain about tampering.

OMG, the most embarrassing part! Whining like sore losers in the press. Unfreakingbelivable. So weak. So beta. Such losers. I can't stand it.

(06-30-2022, 11:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I would be shocked if he didn't, but don't you see that this is a notch in the "Cuban is at fault" column???

This franchise has been CRAZY, and we all know it. How did it get so bad??? 

HE IS THE OWNER.

Cuban absolutely deserves blame and responsibility for letting the Donnie situation drag on and be as dysfunctional as it was (and have said so repeatedly). But he has now fixed that. Sure the consequences of that are still rolling along (see JB), but that ship sailed a year ago. Cannot change it, cannot control it.

This is random but I believe it was @dirkfansince1998 who pointed out something interesting to me a couple weeks ago.  In this Bloomberg Index, Cuban has lost a quarter billion in value in the last year.  Wild speculation on my part, but I think it's reasonable to assume he has lost half a billion in the last 2 years.  Also, doesn't he basically have 51% ownership so half of his net gains go to Perot Jr.?  Maybe that's why he has cold feet regarding a large tax bill, although that doesn't explain the THJ contract or rise in franchise value etc.

Bloomberg Billionaires Index - Mark Cuban

(06-30-2022, 11:46 PM)audiosway Wrote: [ -> ]My biggest fear with Nico is that it's similar to Kidd when he started coaching in Brooklyn. I have no doubt at this point that Kidd is a great coach that will only get better.

Kidd has won me over, 100%. I'm very happy he's here. 

I'm impressed by Harrison, and hopeful that he will become a great GM through his relationships and experience. And, I have to admit I have liked a higher percentage of the choices made since he arrived. I think there's room for optimism. 

I just think this failure, today, was a bigger one than the obligate optimists are allowing themselves to absorb. This is going to make the next couple of years much, much harder. And it's not like they were completely set up for success before this happened.

(06-30-2022, 11:46 PM)audiosway Wrote: [ -> ]I totally get where you are coming from. I'm hoping that Nico is good at being a GM. The realistic part of it is that Nico has never done this before. He's going to make mistakes. Unfortunately, when you have a franchise altering star like Luka you don't have time to make mistakes and learn from it.

My biggest fear with Nico is that it's similar to Kidd when he started coaching in Brooklyn. I have no doubt at this point that Kidd is a great coach that will only get better. His last few years have shown that. However, he went through some really rough years early on. Are we going to get that from Nico for a few years before he becomes good? That's the only fear I have besides does Cuban actually let him do his job. Only time will tell.

Nico's job is even more difficult because of how bare the cupboards are and it's going to take time to dig out of this hole.  At least after next year Powell will be off the books and hopefully our last owed first conveys leaving us only with the Bertans albatross.

I loved the Wood deal as you turned four non-rotational guys into a good rotational guy for the price of a late FRP.  I still don't like the KP deal but mostly because of the second and how long Bertans contract is.  Dinwiddie insurance is going to pay dividends though.

(06-30-2022, 11:48 PM)BoredAssistant Wrote: [ -> ]This is random but I believe it was @dirkfansince1998 who pointed out something interesting to me a couple weeks ago.  In this Bloomberg Index, Cuban has lost a quarter billion in value in the last year.  Wild speculation on my part, but I think it's reasonable to assume he has lost half a billion in the last 2 years.  Also, doesn't he basically have 51% ownership so half of his net gains go to Perot Jr.?  Maybe that's why he has cold feet regarding a large tax bill, although that doesn't explain the THJ contract or rise in franchise value etc.

Bloomberg Billionaires Index - Mark Cuban

Would also look at the crypto market. Wouldn´t be suprised if the recent crash really hurt Mark. It´s difficult to come up with a number but the Mavs are by far his most successful and safe investment. The way he has been running the team in the last couple of years generated a big net income. And since 2015 the value of the franchise more than doubled.

It´s pretty obvious that the Mavs cannot compete with financial powerhouses like the Warriors or Clippers. Even with other big market teams. And that´s not a problem. Plenty of teams have the same problems. Problem is that the Mavs continue to act like they can.

(06-30-2022, 11:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]It´s pretty obvious that the Mavs cannot compete with financial powerhouses like the Warriors or Clippers. Even with other big market teams. And that´s not a problem. Plenty of teams have the same problems. Problem is that the Mavs continue to act like they can.

They're not a small market team. Even if they've decided to run like one, financially, this is still a better place to live than Minnesota, Utah, whatever. There is a path to having a great franchise here in Dallas, even on a budget. 

But to do that, they have to be BETTER. SMARTER.

(06-30-2022, 11:47 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]OMG, the most embarrassing part! Whining like sore losers in the press. Unfreakingbelivable. So weak. So beta. Such losers. I can't stand it.

The 2022 version of bitching about the refs.

(06-30-2022, 11:59 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

They're not a small market team. Even if they've decided to run like one, financially, this is still a better place to live than Minnesota, Utah, whatever. There is a path to having a great franchise here in Dallas, even on a budget. 

But to do that, they have to be BETTER. SMARTER.

Until Mark sells the team to Jerry, we are a small market team and our front office makes us one of the least desirable destinations.  While it's fun to dunk on the Knicks and the Kings, we are at the bottom of that barrel with them.

(06-30-2022, 11:54 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Would also look at the crypto market. Wouldn´t be suprised if the recent crash really hurt Mark. It´s difficult to come up with a number but the Mavs are by far his most successful and safe investment. The way he has been running the team in the last couple of years generated a big net income. And since 2015 the value of the franchise more than doubled.

It´s pretty obvious that the Mavs cannot compete with financial powerhouses like the Warriors or Clippers. Even with other big market teams. And that´s not a problem. Plenty of teams have the same problems. Problem is that the Mavs continue to act like they can.

Yeah you're right but I never really processed this until recently because I'm thinking any reasonable person would consolidate and continue to invest in an NBA franchise.  He might be panicking in a billionare-about-to-not-be-a-billionare kinda way, or just the panic that comes with losing a fuckton of value.

I mentioned the same on another thread about maybe Cuban just being honest and run the Mavs as a small market team 

The problem is doing that requires valuing and stacking picks, asset mgmt, evaluation, and a whole cultural shift from the way this franchise has done things. They think they are like the Lakers or the Heat, but the Mavs are just another franchise. No one is giving a discount to play for the Mavs. 

That is why the JB stuff is disappointing. It’s not because I am overrating JB as much as that we lost an asset for nothing and this was one of the few picks we actually hit on. Meanwhile the Spurs are trading Murray two years early.  That’s why I blame Cuban though Kamm feels it’s unfair. This whole apathy towards asset management and just looking at FA comes directly from Cuban. This despite repeatedly being one of the worst teams in FA.

(07-01-2022, 12:08 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]apathy towards asset management

I 100% get this frustration.

(07-01-2022, 12:08 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]I mentioned the same on another thread about maybe Cuban just being honest and run the Mavs as a small market team 

The problem is doing that requires valuing and stacking picks, asset mgmt, evaluation, and a whole cultural shift from the way this franchise has done things. They think they are like the Lakers or the Heat, but the Mavs are just another franchise. No one is giving a discount to play for the Mavs. 

That is why the JB stuff is disappointing. It’s not because I am overrating JB as much as that we lost an asset for nothing and this was one of the few picks we actually hit on. Meanwhile the Spurs are trading Murray two years early.  That’s why I blame Cuban though Kamm feels it’s unfair. This whole apathy towards asset management and just looking at FA comes directly from Cuban. This despite repeatedly being one of the worst teams in FA.

Cuban's never going to do this.  He's too impatient and prideful to ever let the team be bad and go through a "process".  Losing Luka might be a wakeup call but he's just as likely to take out a full page ad in the Dallas Morning News with a spiteful message promising to get a Mavs championship before Luka does.

(06-30-2022, 11:50 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Kidd has won me over, 100%. I'm very happy he's here. 

I'm impressed by Harrison, and hopeful that he will become a great GM through his relationships and experience. And, I have to admit I have liked a higher percentage of the choices made since he arrived. I think there's room for optimism. 

I just think this failure, today, was a bigger one than the obligate optimists are allowing themselves to absorb. This is going to make the next couple of years much, much harder. And it's not like they were completely set up for success before this happened.

Absolutely. I totally feel like Nico is doing a great job so far. And I'm just as frustrated as you are with the lack of assets. It blows me away the number of stupid mistakes Cuban/Donnie/etc have made over the years.

I'm just trying to give these guys a little bit of benefit of the doubt because I feel that Nico and Kidd have quickly earned it. My biggest fear is seriously that Cuban will do Cuban things. You probably remember how close I was at the beginning of the year last year of just walking away.

Cuban sucks the life out of me. I'm a wait and see at this point. But, I will say that Nico and Kidd won me over with the KP trade and what we've seen on the court with defense.

(07-01-2022, 12:16 AM)audiosway Wrote: [ -> ]Absolutely. I totally feel like Nico is doing a great job so far. And I'm just as frustrated as you are with the lack of assets. It blows me away the number of stupid mistakes Cuban/Donnie/etc have made over the years.

I'm just trying to give these guys a little bit of benefit of the doubt because I feel that Nico and Kidd have quickly earned it. My biggest fear is seriously that Cuban will do Cuban things. You probably remember how close I was at the beginning of the year last year of just walking away.

Cuban sucks the life out of me. I'm a wait and see at this point. But, I will say that Nico and Kidd won me over with the KP trade and what we've seen on the court with defense.

The obvious test will be when the '23 pick conveys (hopefully) and how quickly the MBT rush to use our full compliment of future FRPs.

(07-01-2022, 12:08 AM)hakeemfaan Wrote: [ -> ]They think they are like the Lakers or the Heat, but the Mavs are just another franchise. No one is giving a discount to play for the Mavs. 

It’s not because I am overrating JB as much as that we lost an asset for nothing and this was one of the few picks we actually hit on. Meanwhile the Spurs are trading Murray two years early.

THIS. I totally get you here. And don't think I'm not frustrated with how the whole JB thing went down. I knew he was gone after they didn't move him at the deadline. And yes! It's Cubans fault. The entire thing. Cuban thought he was the smartest guy in the room. Riley would have locked him up at 4/$55. Then, he would have moved him for a treasure trove of assets. That's why I pointed out earlier today about Murray getting moved for a huge amount of assets by the Spurs. That's actual FO work right there.

Not Cuban though. He's too busy being the smartest guy in the room. I'm the way I am with it right now because I'm hopeful that Nico and Kidd are actually running the show. I'm wait and see with it.

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(07-01-2022, 12:17 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]The obvious test will be when the '23 pick conveys (hopefully) and how quickly the MBT rush to use our full compliment of future FRPs.

Good point. I want to see them draft and develop players rather than giving away picks. I'm talking about you Giannis! There are usually Jimmy Butlers in every draft class late in the first round or a Jokic in the 2nd. Or a Brunson... Now they just have to actually get a return for them rather than letting them walk for nothing.

I guess Cuban would rather flush his money down the drain or burn it.

Someone tell Jalen to calm down.

https://twitter.com/kirawontmiss/status/...7484476416

I wonder what it would take to buy out Perot Jr.'s 49% ownership in the Mavericks. 4 billiion? I'm confident they aren't helping Mark cover the losses or bills, but gladly share in the profits, and maybe I'm sympathetic to someone who has to work with disinterested parties. And why hasn't one of Cuban's dudebros jumped in already? Who are potential owners who could handle being a minority owner w/out proportional decision-making? Bill Gates seems like he could use some excitement in his life.

(07-01-2022, 01:10 AM)BoredAssistant Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what it would take to buy out Perot Jr.'s 49% ownership in the Mavericks.

Perot does not own 49% of the Mavs, or anything even close to that. When he sued Cuban after the title, it was 5%, and it's fairly certain that number has not gotten bigger since, given the animosity.

As for what Perot does or doesn't share in, that's going to be controlled by Cuban, not Perot. That's the nature of majority ownership, versus minority. Perot is simply the tail on the dog, being wagged and following behind.

(07-01-2022, 01:31 AM)F Gump Wrote: [ -> ]Perot does not own 49% of the Mavs, or anything even close to that. When he sued Cuban after the title, it was 5%, and it's fairly certain that number has not gotten bigger since, given the animosity.

As for what Perot does or doesn't share in, that's going to be controlled by Cuban, not Perot. That's the nature of majority ownership, versus minority. Perot is simply the tail on the dog, being wagged and following behind.

Good memory.  This says Cuban owns 76%. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/maveri...insolvent/