(12-23-2021, 02:31 PM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Kidd is simply living up to his mediocre coaching resume'. He was hired because he's a former Mav, not because he's been a successful coach. Some were just hoping against hope that his tenure under Vogel would somehow make lemonade out of a lemon.
Yeah, I get it. I think this whole failure to have a consistent direction just set me off.
Specifically, now we're talking about trading THJ because he and Luka aren't a fit on defense. (Fine with me if we trade THJ, just talking about the process.) They just re-signed THJ this summer, for big money. Didn't we already know that both Luka and THJ were flawed players defensively? Or, if the issue is that they don't fit in the defensively focused system that Kidd wants to institute, isn't that something that was reasonably foreseeable before THJ was re-signed? Did they think Bullock was some kind of solution, given that the money paid to THJ clearly contemplated THJ as the starter?
First, THJ is the summer's big-money signing. Now, we're talking about trading him because he's not a good defender, something which should have been knowable at the time. Did they just punt on making any decision to deviate from the previous path in the summer because Nico was still learning how to evaluate players? Did they just not know what they were doing? This is the sort of thing that drives me crazy.
In fairness, I should say that, although we like to talk about doing a 180 on THJ on the board, I have no idea whether the Mavs are talking about anything like that, lol. Even if they are, that's not intrinsically necessarily a bad thing, just raises a serious question in my mind about whether there is a method in the madness.
My issue is really whether Cuban/the Mavs organization really are pulling it together, or whether this is the same pit of dysfunction as ever. Not even so much Kidd or any particular player.
@"mavsluvr", tell those handlers to step back so you can let loose! Mavsboard, and Mavs nation need Mavsluvr Unhinged!!!
(12-23-2021, 03:59 PM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]unfettered, unbridled, not unhinged!
wrong word? We don't want all 3?
(12-23-2021, 04:07 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]
wrong word? We don't want all 3?
I think WAB is very politely attempting to avoid a suggestion that I might have gone down the rabbit hole, lol.
I'll try to make any future unhinged posts from my mavsluvr unchained alias. I have been told that I have a long fuse, but in the end, I guess something ends up getting to everybody. Grr.
(12-23-2021, 03:43 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]First, THJ is the summer's big-money signing. Now, we're talking about trading him because he's not a good defender, something which should have been knowable at the time. Did they just punt on making any decision to deviate from the previous path in the summer because Nico was still learning how to evaluate players? Did they just not know what they were doing? This is the sort of thing that drives me crazy.
I think there is another possibility. They signed THJ because there was simply no other option, knewing well he is not best fit. His contract is decent and movable. If they wouldn't sign him, the only offseason aquisition would be Bullock.
I agree with omahen...the Mavs struck out on bigger names and signed THJ as an attempt to not waste this season...last several weeks I have been wanting to trade him due to his lack of impact...Powell or KP is no longer our worst contract depending on who you talk to ...all I can do is hope he starts living up to his contract or he nets us a better player in trade...
(12-23-2021, 04:23 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think there is another possibility. They signed THJ because there was simply no other option, knewing well he is not best fit. His contract is decent and movable. If they wouldn't sign him, the only offseason aquisition would be Bullock.
I think his contract was designed to be easily movable maybe in a season or two. I'm not buying that they signed him with the intention to trade him before February (and they haven't said that's their intent, of course.)
If they really thought Tim was a bad fit, they should have worked the phones beginning whenever they realized it and found a better option, instead of getting caught with their pants down yet again. Personally, I think they expected him to fit well, and didn't take into account that we were going to run a clunky offense that has somehow turned all our shooters into mushrooms.
Bah, humbug.
(12-23-2021, 04:20 PM)mavsluvr Wrote: [ -> ]I think WAB is very politely attempting to avoid a suggestion that I might have gone down the rabbit hole, lol.
I'll try to make any future unhinged posts from my mavsluvr unchained alias. I have been told that I have a long fuse, but in the end, I guess something ends up getting to everybody. Grr.
Wow, WAB is your handler!
Ok, so , COMING SOON TO MAVSBOARD...
Unhinged Melody
where mavsluvr sings his "love" for Cuban, Kidd, and maybe Nico, depending on how he's progressing.
(12-23-2021, 04:50 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with omahen...the Mavs struck out on bigger names and signed THJ as an attempt to not waste this season...last several weeks I have been wanting to trade him due to his lack of impact...Powell or KP is no longer our worst contract depending on who you talk to ...all I can do is hope he starts living up to his contract or he nets us a better player in trade...
I hear you. OTOH, my point isn't really whether THJ should be traded as a player. It is that they should have had a good option, whether it was THJ or another.
If THJ is really a no-impact player, they should have been able to tell that five months ago, and gotten someone who was a better fit. They should be the kind of quality front office that doesn't always strike out, and have gotten some kind of really good player in here at some point in the last three freaking years. And they should have a system that doesn't reduce good offensive players to shadows of themselves.
They should be BETTER than they are, I say!!! Mediocre to slightly above average on every aspect of the team but Luka isn't good enough!
(12-23-2021, 05:19 PM)WildArkieBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Didn't the Mavs recently introduce a new on-air talent that has been well received?
Well, if we're talking about broadcast talent, that's a whole different kettle of fish, lol.
I was a little surprised Mavsluvr but your points were well made. I think it is both true and good that J Kidd very much knows he has much to prove and is very much at risk of total failure. You did a good job of describing how that might look. Just like certain Mavs (looking at you KP) we are stuck rooting for J Kidd to raise his previous game to overcome our current predictions.
Many of us would benefit from overcoming our own fearful predictions and pain from past history and realize that Kidd might just learn and improve and that others including Brunson, Nico, Luka might just do the same.
As for Kidd and his more effort and BBIQ required defense, I think that could work if we have a truly 8 deep team with 3 more energy guys to throw in so everyone can sustain that effort or ….that we do what many good teams do and play Kidd’s defense really well in the 4th quarter.
(12-23-2021, 04:23 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think there is another possibility. They signed THJ because there was simply no other option, knewing well he is not best fit. His contract is decent and movable. If they wouldn't sign him, the only offseason aquisition would be Bullock.
Who’s trading for THJ? No one can pay a three point shooter who shoots 33% from behind the arc and doesn’t play particularly good defense that much. The Mavs would have to throw in a tip. The best move is probably just to hope he can right the ship and somehow start shooting 40% from three. Or, maybe he can shoot the Mavs into the lottery.
(12-24-2021, 01:33 PM)ThisIStheYear Wrote: [ -> ]Who’s trading for THJ? No one can pay a three point shooter who shoots 33%
I don't think value fluctuates so quickly (except for cases where significant injury is involved).
I could be wrong, but I think it's reasonable to wonder if THJ's rough season to this point is at least partly due to big changes in approach for the Mavs on both sides of the court. It seems to me that he's just not a fit for how Kidd is trying to play, and if that's the case it seems like professional basketball lifers might feel like he'd still be the player from the last two seasons if dropped into the right situation. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'd be a hot commodity or anything, but I feel fairly confident that at the very least the other teams who were interested in him this past summer (at higher compensation levels than what he agreed to, apparently) would still be interested on some level.
I think THJ is pretty movable, personally.
(12-24-2021, 02:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think value fluctuates so quickly (except for cases where significant injury is involved).
I could be wrong, but I think it's reasonable to wonder if THJ's rough season to this point is at least partly due to big changes in approach for the Mavs on both sides of the court. It seems to me that he's just not a fit for how Kidd is trying to play, and if that's the case it seems like professional basketball lifers might feel like he'd still be the player from the last two seasons if dropped into the right situation. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he'd be a hot commodity or anything, but I feel fairly confident that at the very least the other teams who were interested in him this past summer (at higher compensation levels than what he agreed to, apparently) would still be interested on some level.
I think THJ is pretty movable, personally.
I think I agree, but the longer he plays like this and isn’t moved the worse the value will get. The Detroit thing I’m thinking they wanted him to go WITH Grant, so him being a part of a Grant trade IMO is out, cause it’s got to be a “back to the drawing board” thing for them if they deal Grant.
