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(07-06-2022, 07:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Whose initials are those? Haven't heard of that player. And I'd rather have our pick back.


TPE = Traded Player Exception.

All teams involved would likely benefit. For the Mavs, it might create more salary now to use on another player.
(07-06-2022, 08:04 PM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]TPE = Traded Player Exception.

LOL
(07-06-2022, 07:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Whose initials are those? Haven't heard of that player. And I'd rather have our pick back.

Edit: Unless, of course, TPEs can be used in SnTs, in which case TPE might somehow stand for Collin Darnell Sexton...

There was one rumor posted that he was looking at a deal averaging $10mm-$12mm and another that put that number in the $21mm-$22mm range.  If the former, Sexton fits the TPE with Brunson counting as $12mm outgoing.  The bigger issue is we are still well above the apron right now.  So, we'd need to pay Sexton and send out enough salary to end up under the apron AFTER the S&T.

I think other things are more likely (if the NY-DET-DAL S&T happens).  I've already outlined a Hardaway for Burks/S. Lee deal that lowers salary for Dallas by using up the rest of Detroit's cap space and gets us a defensive wing and a third PG.  I really like that deal from a team building standpoint as Lee is another young potential asset and Burks has a TO for next season.

The other way to use this is by including an incoming player in the 3-way with NY and Detroit.  At 125% of Brunson's outgoing, Dallas can bring back about $15.38mm.  Add in Green and the incoming could be $19.25mm (both of these use Brunson's projected salary being $24.35mm which is the Burk/Noel combo plus $5mm plus $100k.   Players in the 'just Jalen' range include Rose, Kennard, Barton, McDermott, Beverley, Gary Harris and Holmes.  If you add Green to the outgoing, you add LaVert, Joe Harris, Harrison Barnes, Capela, Fournier, Bogdonovic (ATL), Myles Turner and Malik Beasley.
(07-06-2022, 08:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]I think other things are more likely (if the NY-DET-DAL S&T happens).


David Lord has been posting about this on his Twitter account. He seemed to think, like you, that this likely has nothing to do with Collin Sexton.

It does, however, open up a whole new range of options if it happens.
(07-06-2022, 08:28 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]There was one rumor posted that he was looking at a deal averaging $10mm-$12mm and another that put that number in the $21mm-$22mm range.  If the former, Sexton fits the TPE with Brunson counting as $12mm outgoing.  The bigger issue is we are still well above the apron right now.  So, we'd need to pay Sexton and send out enough salary to end up under the apron AFTER the S&T.

I think other things are more likely (if the NY-DET-DAL S&T happens).  I've already outlined a Hardaway for Burks/S. Lee deal that lowers salary for Dallas by using up the rest of Detroit's cap space and gets us a defensive wing and a third PG.  I really like that deal from a team building standpoint as Lee is another young potential asset and Burks has a TO for next season.

The other way to use this is by including an incoming player in the 3-way with NY and Detroit.  At 125% of Brunson's outgoing, Dallas can bring back about $15.38mm.  Add in Green and the incoming could be $19.25mm (both of these use Brunson's projected salary being $24.35mm which is the Burk/Noel combo plus $5mm plus $100k.   Players in the 'just Jalen' range include Rose, Kennard, Barton, McDermott, Beverley, Gary Harris and Holmes.  If you add Green to the outgoing, you add LaVert, Joe Harris, Harrison Barnes, Capela, Fournier, Bogdonovic (ATL), Myles Turner and Malik Beasley.

Too late, cf. above post. Hard to see how or why JB would be an SnT now.
Why is it too late (responding to post 1368 above)?

https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1544...42625?s=20&t=-itC2BoLO1QkUoJfYBAQgw
(07-06-2022, 08:59 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Too late, cf. above post. Hard to see how or why JB would be an SnT now.

Nothing about my post changed with the completion of the Walker deal.  He was not contemplated in the math.  To be honest, I thought that part of the deal was already done.

The 3 way numbers I'm using include Noel/Burks and Brunson.  It makes sense for them to get the Walker/Duren part done.  The rookie needs to play in summer league and Walker needs to hit the open market before all the slots dry up.

(07-06-2022, 08:55 PM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]David Lord has been posting about this on his Twitter account. He seemed to think, like you, that this likely has nothing to do with Collin Sexton.

It does, however, open up a whole new range of options if it happens.

F Gump and I talked through all of this a couple of days ago in another thread.  It is almost as if he and David are of one mind.
(07-06-2022, 09:14 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]F Gump and I talked through all of this a couple of days ago in another thread.  It is almost as if he and David are of one mind.

Two dudes, one brain? Or...
(07-06-2022, 09:25 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Two dudes, one brain? Or...

Two girls, one cup.  (DO NOT GOOGLE THIS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD)
(07-06-2022, 09:50 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Two girls, one cup.  (DO NOT GOOGLE THIS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD)

I am suing you for the mental anguish I just experienced. MY GOD MAN.
Reminds me of that early advice I once received: Don’t pee on the electric fence. No, really. Don’t. Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!
(07-06-2022, 10:02 PM)Jommybone Wrote: [ -> ]Reminds me of that early advice I once received: Don’t pee on the electric fence. No, really. Don’t. Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

Ren and Stimpy?
The question is: who could possibly be available to absorb with the TPE, and if there is someone worthwhile, would Cuban do it? 

TPE's have become my least favorite thing about the NBA. So much hype over what is typically absolutely nothing.
(07-08-2022, 01:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]TPE's have become my least favorite thing about the NBA. So much hype over what is typically absolutely nothing.


While I agree with you, what reasons do the Mavericks have for doing this if they are not going to use it?
(07-08-2022, 01:49 PM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]While I agree with you, what reasons do the Mavericks have for doing this if they are not going to use it?


I assume the reasons are very close to the reasons they've had for creating the last dozen that have gone unused. I don't know...

Maybe they would use it, but place too high of a standard on the circumstances that would motivate them to use it? As in, their expectations for the type of player who would be both available and "worth" its use are unrealistic? 

Maybe they actually see PR value in stringing people along with the prospect of using it while knowing they probably won't? 

Who knows, maybe they will use this one.

I'm just saying I'm finding it next to impossible, at this point, to get excited about a TPE. I still feel burned by all those Fish articles back in the day.
(07-08-2022, 01:54 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just saying I'm finding it next to impossible, at this point, to get excited about a TPE. I still feel burned by all those Fish articles back in the day.


Point taken.

My more optimistic take is that a TPE is not really a "plan" by itself. If Cuban thought this through, I suspect the plan is a player or players who are still on the drawing board - particularly since a roster spot is open.

That does not mean the FO won't screw this up. It just means the TPE by itself sounds like a wimpy consolation prize when you still appear to have players ready to shuffle around (Powell, Green, and an open chair on the roster). Those two things look like they're connected.
(07-08-2022, 02:31 PM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]My more optimistic take is that a TPE is not really a "plan". If Cuban thought this through, I suspect the plan is a player or players who are still on the drawing board - particularly since a roster spot is open.


Yes, the TPE would appear to be useful, particularly in the wake of losing an asset like Brunson without creating any sort of financial flexibility by doing so. In theory, this IS a way they could ADD salary, if/when it became advantageous to do so. 

I just feel like Charlie Brown running towards the football every time I try to get my hopes up about them doing something like that.
(07-08-2022, 02:33 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, the TPE would appear to be useful, particularly in the wake of losing an asset like Brunson without creating any sort of financial flexibility by doing so. In theory, this IS a way they could ADD salary, if/when it became advantageous to do so. 

I just feel like Charlie Brown running towards the football every time I try to get my hopes up about them doing something like that.

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