Not sure if it will make any difference or not, but I don't see the Mavs flying all those people to meet and present the same offer. Surely it will be upped somewhat significantly. Probably too little too late.
I wonder if upping the offer and structuring the contract like Hield's or THJ's would sour JB.
And where tf is Dirk? Isn't he supposed to be consulting MC?
(06-29-2022, 02:14 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I don't need people to dislike Cuban.
I don't need people to be sad Brunson is leaving - some people are ok with this because they didn't think highly of the player, which is fine, and others are just better at keeping the team's activities on a lower level of import in their lives than I. That's also fine.
What's bothering me (not with you, specifically) is the refusal to acknowledge that - plainly, straight up - Dallas is about to let their 2nd best player walk immediately after the team got to the WCF. I would just hope that we could all be real about that, even if we're not going to dwell on it or be pissed, rather than search for rationalizations on why it might be a good thing.
Life will go on, and the team will still be good. I don't think they'll be AS good, but that's debatable. What's not debatable is that this is NOT the outcome Dallas WANTED. It's NOT going to help them improve in the short term. It's NOT part of some plan. It's a failure. I would just like a little balance in how we deal with the facts around here, personally. Where our individual outlooks fall on the positive/negative meter regarding the future is a totally personal thing.
I haven't liked Cuban for a long time so nothing new. I will say that I don't think at all this is what Dallas wanted. I would love to have JB stay. Just not at $25-$30 million per year. He's not that guy. I love me some Brunson too. So, I'm not saying they didn't botch this. They absolutely did. However, paying him what it would take to stay would be an even worse mistake.
Also, if you go back and look at the numbers from the games the 2nd most valuable player on the team was DFS through that run. I know you love DFS like I do. Brunson was a liability in the GS series. The series that made him this money was the one with Utah.
With all of that said here is where I'm coming from. JB knows if the Mavs roll out the big bucks it's only to trade him down the road. Probably going somewhere he doesn't want to go. He also won't be the starting PG in Dallas due to Luka. So, he's likely not that happy with his role at some point. You also can't be guaranteed that a team will want to trade for him after they see him play this next year. That bigger role he had starting was only after the ASB and playoffs. There is more film on him now. Teams would likely do what GS did with him which would put all the pressure back on Luka like GS did. They start game planning for playmakers in the starting or closing lineup. He hasn't faced that before in the NBA.
That's my thinking on all of this.
When JB wasn't resigned or traded by this last years deadline I had a pretty good feeling he was gone. The mess up by the front office was then not now. I would be really upset if they were trying to break the bank to resign him. I had to take a break from the Mavs for a while after they maxed out KP. They got my attention back the day they traded him.
Are we going to feel better or worse when the Heat land JB?
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(06-29-2022, 09:34 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Are we going to feel better or worse when the Heat land JB?
I don't know but I no longer fish!
I would rather JB end up with the Heat than NY. The Heat would get the best out of him. NY will be very average.
(06-29-2022, 09:34 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Are we going to feel better or worse when the Heat land JB?
At least the Heat would need help via SnT. Maybe JB got Riley’d and he asked the Mavs out to negotiate a SnT with Heat.
I keep dropping all these straws I’m grasping at.
(06-29-2022, 09:10 PM)Winter Wrote: [ -> ]Devil's advocate.... what was Mark going to say publicly? I mean what else could he say? He had to act as if the Mavs had the upper hand.
I'm not criticizing what he
said recently to try to scare NY away from moving mountains in order to make the offer.
I'm criticizing his (and Harrison's) poor decision to risk it at all by not trading him at the deadline. Back then, I assumed this signaled that they were willing to spend what it would take, and by that I mean
what it would take. I didn't know then that they had an upper limit in mind, but obviously
they did, and I think we're seeing now why it would've been more prudent to pick the more risk averse path.
I will admit that I see validity in the POV offered by @"F Gump" yesterday, however, that getting to the WCF comes with side benefits. The rest of the roster learning what it takes to win playoff games, stay healthy deep into the postseason, dig a little deeper competitively each day, deal with the added press and pressure, etc. I think that's a strong point, and they very likely don't accomplish that without Brunson in the mix down the stretch.
But, that honestly just makes me wish Cuban would cut the check, tbh. I know it's not my money, and ordinarily I try to be understanding of how owners try to approach their governorships financially. In this case, the combination of letting the deadline go by and then all the things the entire organization has been saying get my hopes up, I suppose.
(06-29-2022, 08:48 PM)JBB Wrote: [ -> ]Has anyone looked into the state income tax impacts of the differing offers between Mavs and Knicks? I originally viewed the meeting as purely a way to avoid the tampering discussion, I don't think the Mavs would be sending such a strong representation party if it were just for show (especially Mark).
PS first time poster moving over from another forum. Nice activity level over here.
I believe the state income tax issue is one that we Texans often over value.
One reason I think this is that the Mavs consistently whiff in free agency despite this supposed advantage.
Another reason I think this is that state income tax is only part of the compensation equation. Aside from endorsement deals there are other things like property taxes. I just left Texas for a state with income tax. I come out ahead though because my property taxes dropped to almost zero. There are parts of Texas where they get close to 5%.
Moral of the story is, the govt gets your money one way or another.
(06-29-2022, 08:29 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, that's the conclusion we reached 24 hours ago.
I agree, very unlikely Cuban raises his offer.
I'm starting to laugh at how similar this is to the Nash debacle, although Jalen is half the player Nash was, and is less important to the team's overall success as well than Nash to those early Dirk years.
(06-29-2022, 11:46 PM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]Man, would love to front load that with it starting at $28M and ending at $21M. Heck, add incentives to keep the ability to make more towards the end!
Agreed on the contract structure but I think it would make Jalen feel like the Mavs are already looking to upgrade him.
(06-29-2022, 11:41 PM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/CBAMavs/status/1542367455464529921
Honestly I'd say the first 3 years of that deal is market value, while the last two are slight overpays imo.
Though one has to wonder how big the cap will be in 2026 and 2027.
Surprised Cuban appears to be fighting tooth and nail to be cheap here, although I guess the guy doesn't really care about basketball anymore.
(06-30-2022, 01:34 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Surprised Cuban appears to be fighting tooth and nail to be cheap here, although I guess the guy doesn't really care about basketball anymore.
Mark is a reality TV star now. The Mavs are in his rear view mirror.