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Also needs to be mentioned - it is not really nice from MacMahon to publish this on a day of a very important game. Something I am getting used from him.

(04-25-2022, 09:48 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]it is not really nice from MacMahon to publish this on a day of a very important game

He is a reporter. Not sure why he needs to publish things based on what is "nice" for the organization. 

He doesn't work for the Mavericks so we shouldn't expect him to act like he does. I for one have loved his reporting over the last few years. Sure, a lot of what he shares "hurts" to hear as a fan, but it gives us a window into what is behind the scenes. 

And it is not like what he is publishing is going to shock JB or anyone within the organization. Us fans are the only ones who are learning new things here.

If Rick Brunson actually went to the Mavs in January and said let's do 4/55 then he is dumb because Brunson was already past that value before the season and was wayyyyy past that value during.

The Mavs would also be dumb not to lock that up as an asset as well.  They were clearly just waiting for the trade deadline and I wonder if they tried to extend around the same time they did Dorian after the deadline.

(04-25-2022, 10:33 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]They were clearly just waiting for the trade deadline and I wonder if they tried to extend around the same time they did Dorian after the deadline.

The article says they did. But Brunson rejected, because he was worth than in January by then.

(04-25-2022, 09:28 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]My takeaways from the article:

1) The old regime tried to trade JB.

2) The new regime has not extended JB TWICE (once this summer and once in January) because such an extension would have kept them from using him in a trade this past summer or at the TDL.

3) Rick Brunson (his dad) seems pretty salty about the whole thing and will NOT be encouraging JB to do the Mavs any favors.

4) JB seems to love it in DAL, but I could easily see him wanting to walk at the end of the day. I personally think him playing so well without Luka will make him want to walk. My opinion. 


Did the Mavs mismanage this situation? 

Hard to say. I 100% support them in wanting to trade JB (I have been on that wagon since last summer and would have 100% supported trading him for Haliburton). But not pulling the trigger on something might end up being a catastrophic mistake (though not likely). Likely they will be able to money-whip him this summer and maybe because of his performance without Luka in the playoffs he will still be a very tradeable and coveted player/asset.

Gawd I hope this level of incompetence is untrue. And that the Mavs didn’t previously resign JB because he had outplayed the value of an extension already and would have to wait until the off-season to get a fair contract. Otherwise, could you imagine the level of management malpractice?

(04-25-2022, 10:33 AM)StrandedOnBeauboisHill Wrote: [ -> ]they tried to extend around the same time they did Dorian after the deadline.

They did.

The Mavs did NOT extend him in January because they were looking to (open to?) trading him at the TDL. They were that serious about moving him at the TDL that they didn't lock him into that great 4 yr/$55M contract. 

Then when they didn't trade him they offered him the extension and his camp refused.

Inexcusable. Nico has fallen down a peg in my book. How can you not know what you have when you've had a front row seat to it all year. Nico got caught up with the rest of you trade Brunson for something better folks... At least it will only cost Cuban money in the long run...

(04-25-2022, 09:28 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]JB seems to love it in DAL

I mean cutting through all the BS negotiation talk this is all that matters. Brunson wanted to stay here and resign even after not getting offered the extension in the summer. 

If anything Nico did him a favor (and not the Mavs). Makes me think as long as the Mavs offer a competitive contract, I.E 5/120, then he'll be back here no question.

(04-25-2022, 11:30 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]I mean cutting through all the BS negotiation talk this is all that matters. Brunson wanted to stay here and resign even after not getting offered the extension in the summer. 

If anything Nico did him a favor (and not the Mavs). Makes me think as long as the Mavs offer a competitive contract, I.E 5/120, then he'll be back here no question.

Yep, which is why I said in my personal analysis that I don't think the Mavs made a catastrophic failure in this. I think it is FAR MORE likely he gets money-whipped to stay in DAL than it is that he walks. 

And honestly, with what he showed in the games without Luka (averaging 30+ in the PLAYOFFS as THE GUY), they will have no problem flipping his contract even at its exorbitant level. 

Point being, if JB is WORTH the contract he signed then the Mavs did not make a mistake, because they will be able to flip easy enough when they want to.

(04-25-2022, 11:10 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]The article says they did. But Brunson rejected, because he was worth than in January by then.

Ah thanks, I went through it quickly and must have missed that.

If we extended him I assume that means he wouldn't have been able to be traded, correct?

Also, feels like he was worth more than 55 wayyyyyy before January.  Surprised by the whole thing honestly.  I just kind of assumed Brunson's camp wanted UFA all along because he knew he could get more.

(04-25-2022, 09:55 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]He is a reporter. Not sure why he needs to publish things based on what is "nice" for the organization. 

He doesn't work for the Mavericks so we shouldn't expect him to act like he does. I for one have loved his reporting over the last few years. Sure, a lot of what he shares "hurts" to hear as a fan, but it gives us a window into what is behind the scenes. 

And it is not like what he is publishing is going to shock JB or anyone within the organization. Us fans are the only ones who are learning new things here.

MacMahon makes it his goal to publish scathing articles on important days in the goal of redirecting fan attention to whatever narrative that ticks off Cuban. 

You're right, what he's publishing isn't shocking to the people involved, but it takes away from what fans SHOULD be focusing on. It's game 5. Most important game of the season so far. All press should be breaking down stuff the Mavs should be doing on the court. What does MacMahon write? An article that deals with free agency... 

He's a consistent pessimist with the occasional hit of news given to him by some malcontent in the front office. I think he legitimately doesn't like Cuban because he doesn't get the first scoops. Hell, Cuban literally banned him from the press room because of his sensationalist writing. He's biased against the Mavs and it shows in his negative exposes and opinionated writing. Anybody reading his articles should just look at the direct quotes and think how it could have been taken out of context. 


Here is an example of what we should be paying attention to whilst still in the playoffs before the most important game of the season. 

 https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/2022/04...zz-game-4/

MacMahon has good scoops and is also a lover of creating drama.  I think both things can be true.

(04-25-2022, 08:54 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]
It says Brunsons dad was asking for it again in January - the paragraph I copied. 

Brunson at that contract was a very good deal. Brunson was averaging 18 ppg in december. Even if you had doubt about the long term fit, that contract would be a great asset in the summer. If the claim is true, that was a fail by Mavs

Great, and then you complain, when I complain about the stupidity of the MBT. Can´t you just let me skim the article and he slightly less annoyed instead of revealing the whole truth. It´s like you are trying to p*** me off.

(04-25-2022, 11:41 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]MacMahon makes it his goal to publish scathing articles on important days in the goal of redirecting fan attention to whatever narrative that ticks off Cuban. 

You're right, what he's publishing isn't shocking to the people involved, but it takes away from what fans SHOULD be focusing on. It's game 5. Most important game of the season so far. All press should be breaking down stuff the Mavs should be doing on the court. What does MacMahon write? An article that deals with free agency... 

He's a consistent pessimist with the occasional hit of news given to him by some malcontent in the front office. I think he legitimately doesn't like Cuban because he doesn't get the first scoops. Hell, Cuban literally banned him from the press room because of his sensationalist writing. He's biased against the Mavs and it shows in his negative exposes and opinionated writing. Anybody reading his articles should just look at the direct quotes and think how it could have been taken out of context. 


Here is an example of what we should be paying attention to whilst still in the playoffs before the most important game of the season. 

 https://www.dmagazine.com/sports/2022/04...zz-game-4/

Excellent post. Agree 100%.

(04-25-2022, 11:33 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, which is why I said in my personal analysis that I don't think the Mavs made a catastrophic failure in this. I think it is FAR MORE likely he gets money-whipped to stay in DAL than it is that he walks. 

And honestly, with what he showed in the games without Luka (averaging 30+ in the PLAYOFFS as THE GUY), they will have no problem flipping his contract even at its exorbitant level. 

Point being, if JB is WORTH the contract he signed then the Mavs did not make a mistake, because they will be able to flip easy enough when they want to.

Not catastrophic if he signs with Dallas, but still if we could have gotten him for 4/55 and end up having to go 4/90+ that is a huge difference to our situation, and his trade value.

(04-25-2022, 11:22 AM)Smitty Wrote: [ -> ]Inexcusable. Nico has fallen down a peg in my book. How can you not know what you have when you've had a front row seat to it all year. Nico got caught up with the rest of you trade Brunson for something better folks... At least it will only cost Cuban money in the long run...

Don't be too hard on Nico, this was probably Cuban driven like all of the major GM decisions in the past.  Its a typical move for him.  Screw up current potential asset situations in order to go for the big score in the future (either free agency or big trade).

It could cost more than Cuban money in the log run.  It could possibly cost us Brunson.  I'm not sure what Cuban's tax tolerance is going to be, and there could be long term issues related to staying under the apron.  If we end up dropping another 8 mil a year to Brunson it definitely could affect moves elsewhere over the next 4 years.

Given how public Cuban has been about the Steve Nash mistake, I fully expect him to pony up the money.

If he can't sign Brunson (Brunson chooses to leave or the price is too steep for Cuban), Cuban will know this ahead of time - and I assume try for a S&T deal. But it will be a black eye if Cuban doesn't hit gold.

Assuming there was opportunity in January to sign JB to an extension, it's not quite as clear in some ways what they should have thought of the idea -- but then again, maybe it is.

1 In January, there were question marks on whether JB could play very well in the playoffs. (Heck, many of you guys still had those doubts mere weeks ago.)
2 An extension would have made it impossible to include JB in a trade at the deadline.
3 This was a very different team back then. The perceived needs were different.

Yet, all that having been said, it was assumed that the reason the Mavs didn't extend him was because he was not interested at that price. If he was willing to say yes, and they didn't offer, that's incredibly shiort-sighted thinking on their part. Getting rotation guys on deals at the MLE or a bit more (JB at $12M or so) is  EXACTLY the sort of way you want to build your team and payroll, to have the talent to compete.

Cuban has never been very astute in the way he's managed the cap, payroll, and roster building. It looks like the doltishness continues.

The silver lining in this article is that RC was the driving force to trade him (we all know he is the one pushed for Haliburton) and Knicks turned him down (and 2 pucks) in yrade proposal with the new regime. 
Those are 2 of the most likely suitors for Brunson in FA , beside Detroit and us

This is all coming from JB's father, who does not handle his contract negotiations. Here is a report back in January by Bleacher Report that Brunson was looking for $20 million AAV. 

https://ahnfiredigital.com/nba/dallas-ma...-contract/

Maybe stretching of the "truth" in Timmy Mac's article or maybe it is the truth. Who really knows but it doesn't really matter, this is where the Mavs are now. 

Brunson averaged 18/4/5 on 50/39/85 shooting splits in 61 games as a starter. In 4 playoff games, he's averaging 30/5/5 on 48/41/86 shooting splits. Those are all-star caliber numbers whether you like to admit it or not; signing a player of this ilk for a non-Max contract is a rarity in today's NBA.