The Warriors probably have the best chance of getting Giannis. I would also be interested in that Nuggets trade if I was the Bucks. The Mavs can't compete with the top offers. KP and what picks we can trade wouldn't be enough, but to be honest I would really only want Giannis with KP. I'm not sure we are much better if any if we gain Giannis but lose KP. Giannis isn't a good shooter and he's very ball dominant to be able to score.
@"Mavs2019" I'm not disagreeing with your logic or your assessment of any particular player. And I certainly won't stick up for much of what the front office did between 2011 and 2019. However, it's not like they KNEW they were going to be able to draft Luka Doncic, or that he'd be this good, this soon.
That's all I'm saying: that high priced role players don't make sense until you KNOW what you're building around.
(09-12-2020, 03:39 PM)BigDirk41 Wrote: [ -> ]...but to be honest I would really only want Giannis with KP. I'm not sure we are much better if any if we gain Giannis but lose KP. Giannis isn't a good shooter and he's very ball dominant to be able to score.
I see what you're saying, but disagree.
Here, Giannis's role on offense would basically be an augmented, 'roided up version of Powell's role. That means that most of the time, KP would be standing on the perimeter to create space. You'd love that, but you don't really need a max-level talent to play that role. Kleber could do it just fine, for example.
On defense, Giannis is absolutely a better presence than KP, who does some things really well, but just isn't the kind of swiss army knife on that end that Giannis is. While I think Giannis is one of the few bigs in the league who could play WITH KP, I'm far from the thinking that having two bigs would be necessary.
If Giannis is here with KP, I think they both start and play together often, but really, what you've got at that point is the ability to play different types of lineups effectively. You can also get there by starting Giannis at the 5 and having him play two big stretches with someone off the bench.
(09-12-2020, 03:05 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2020, 02:18 PM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]That type of social media garbage historically is a pretty reliable indicator of the intention to switch teams. Milwaukee should start working the trade phones right now.
Milwaukee would be absolutely stupid to trade Giannis. They are very close to win it all and who knows when can they return in this position again.
They are no longer close to winning it all with Giannis making his intentions clear this early. If they don't offload Giannis in the offseason then they are in the same situation as the 2019 Pelicans. The locker room will be cancerous with everybody knowing he wants out. His trade value only diminishes the longer they wait.
We might want to keep an eye out for a Middleton trade opportunity if Milwaukee decides to completely blow it up, there might be a chance of snagging him without losing KP with a Hardaway, Powell, Brunson, and 2025 and 2027 pick package
He does that at the end of every season.
(09-12-2020, 05:47 PM)MrGoat Wrote: [ -> ]His trade value only diminishes the longer they wait.
I feel like this is untrue. Giannis is one of the few players that no matter what his trade value will command the brinks trucks. He's as good as they get in the league. Top 5 player.
What IS interesting is that Giannis can bolt whenever he wants which does limit the teams that would want to trade for him and their packages. And the teams that have the space in 2021 don't really need to trade for him at all.
In my own opinion, the Mavs situation with Luka and KP can never be beaten. Especially if a team that's vying for him trades for him, they'd be left barren and almost certainly worse than what the Mavs can offer in free agency. The Mavs would have the
best core in the NBA with Luka+KP+Giannis, AND role players like Kleber, Seth, and Brunson if they just stand pat till 2021.
There's no way MIL trades him, especially since they have 1 more chance to prove to him that they can win big. No sense in pulling the plug unless they're certain he's leaving. And the only way they'd know for sure he'd be leaving is if Giannis specifically says he wants out. Then that's a whole different story.
I wonder if MIL would take Seth+Maxi+Wright+Dodo+Brunson+18+31+2025+2027+2029 (1sts AND 2nds) for Giannis. Literally all the picks. Every single one. Cause it wouldn't matter at all. A core of Luka+Giannis+KP would be one of the most balanced scariest trios ever assembled barring health.
In this fantasy, the Mavs give MIL a young solid PG with potential in Brunson. 2 solid role players on value contracts that can be re-traded for more value. And 9 draft picks. I'd even offer them zero protections on all those picks too.
Another variation could be THJ+Seth+Maxi+Brunson+Dodo+ the 9 draft picks no protections for Giannis and Bledsoe. Is there a limit to how far you can trade out a draft pick? Cause I'd go into next decade as well just to get the deal done.
(09-12-2020, 03:40 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]@"Mavs2019" I'm not disagreeing with your logic or your assessment of any particular player. And I certainly won't stick up for much of what the front office did between 2011 and 2019. However, it's not like they KNEW they were going to be able to draft Luka Doncic, or that he'd be this good, this soon.
That's all I'm saying: that high priced role players don't make sense until you KNOW what you're building around.
Not knowing that you will actually find a superstar in the draft is not exactly a good argument for not trying to find top talent in FA. Should use both options.
Guys like Lavine, Smart, Randle or Nurkic were so young at that point, that they also had 2nd or 3rd star potential. All of them have improved since then, too. It was a unique situation. Actually pretty similar to the strong up-coming 2021 RFA class.
Its the irony of all ironies that the one season the Mavs hooked the white whale, he was completely stinking rotten and they could have sipped caviar with their bargain bin strategy.
I still can´t express how much I hated the Jordan deal. He was never worth losing your self-respect. Furthermore I said Harrell was the better player every freaking day and twice on Sunday, probably three times, when he signed the 12/2 extension. I still have to chuckle at how proud and happy Cuban was that he "stole" DAJ from Jerry West.
(09-12-2020, 06:06 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]
Not knowing that you will actually find a superstar in the draft is not exactly a good argument for not trying to find top talent in FA. Should use both options.
Ok, so I agree with the above, but Smart is far, far, far from being "top talent." He's an exceptional role player, no different than Draymond Green, PJ Tucker, Mavs era Marion, etc.
No disagreement whatsoever that the Jordan deal was a huge mistake. Fully on board with that idea. HE was a role player, too, which even he, himself realized, and why I think he chickened out and backed out.
(09-12-2020, 05:59 PM)jesusshuttlesworth82 Wrote: [ -> ]He does that at the end of every season.
Unusual habit but okay, would just be easier to just not check it unless he wanted the media attention.
If he doesn't sign that supermax at the first possible opportunity would be the sign he's bolting then
If only Giannis were a Knick.
Now he just needs to say the magical words... "I want to join the Dallas Mavericks"
(09-12-2020, 08:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Now he just needs to say the magical words... "I want to join the Dallas Mavericks"
Don't do this to yourself.
(09-12-2020, 08:26 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2020, 08:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Now he just needs to say the magical words... "I want to join the Dallas Mavericks"
Don't do this to yourself.
I have been on team move on and ignore Giannis for quit some time. I think the best outcome for the Mavs would be a clear decision from him. Sign the supermax or name a destination so the rest of the league can move on.
(09-12-2020, 08:28 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2020, 08:26 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2020, 08:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]Now he just needs to say the magical words... "I want to join the Dallas Mavericks"
Don't do this to yourself.
I have been on team move on and ignore Giannis for quit some time. I think the best outcome for the Mavs would be a clear decision from him. Sign the supermax or name a destination so the rest of the league can move on.
I hope he stays. Otherwise that's a good indicator of our Luka time frame.
I can't explain why, because it's just a feeling, but I'm not worried about Luka leaving at all. Not even a little bit. I have nothing to support that, but I'm just not worried about it.
Time to blow up this Houston experiment.
(09-12-2020, 08:54 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Time to blow up this Houston experiment.
Forget about Giannis. I wonder if Harden will be the one star demanding trade