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(09-27-2020, 10:11 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:21 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling that either Brown or Smart will be available this off season.

Give me both. Would be tempted to offer KP if I can get both in return.

I would do that - *if* we got the top two of their three draft picks this year and *if* we somehow could do the deal in such a way as to get them to take at least one of our bad contracts. And that's only because of KP's injury concerns. And those two caveats aren't happening when you have Ainge on the other end of the phone.

IF?

There are no ifs. That is an insane trade for the Mavs. Next summer you have a million elite centers available. At that point you take #18+#31 and send Powell down the road to San Antonio for LMA. Next summer you dump Wright.

That´s a pipedream. The options would be endless.

Brown 25
Smart 14
Luka 10
Kleber 9
Curry 8
DFS 4
Brunson 2

That´s 43M in capspace. Just get Giannis or split it all between Jarrett Allen (15), LMA (10) and DeRozan (18).

Luka/Brunson
Smart/Curry
Brown/DeRozan
DFS/Kleber
Allen/LMA

LOL that´s a bench that wins 42-45 games.

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You must think KP is going to be crippled by '22 if you think that about that trade. That, or you have a hell-bent, psychotic non-appreciation of his game.

I have an appreciation for roster building opportunities getting the best young perimeter and wing defender to play alongside the best young guard in the league for the next 6-7 years. Meanwhile I can replace Porzings much easier than I can find Smart/Brown level of offense/defense for $36M per year.

There will be so many center options next summer.

The best case is LEAGUE over. Nobody is stopping Luka/Smart/Brown/DFS/Giannis. You want to see teams with 52 points after the 3rd quarter again? Here is your chance.
 
The worst case is a 22 year old Tyson Jr. in Jarrett Allen and 20M in capspace either in 2021 or 2022.

Cedi Osman is not reporting to Cleveland's Delete 8 voluntary mini-camp...staying in Europe.  Hmmm

Jackson plus 31 is a match for Osman.  I see Osman as an upgrade over Jackson as a bench forward.  That's all he really has to be to consider this improvement.  Reasonable declining contract.  Would slot nicely on a bench of Brunson, Curry, Cedi, Maxi and Powell.

(09-28-2020, 07:07 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Cedi Osman is not reporting to Cleveland's Delete 8 voluntary mini-camp...staying in Europe.  Hmmm

Jackson plus 31 is a match for Osman.  I see Osman as an upgrade over Jackson as a bench forward.  That's all he really has to be to consider this improvement.  Reasonable declining contract.  Would slot nicely on a bench of Brunson, Curry, Cedi, Maxi and Powell.

Who's starting though?

(09-28-2020, 07:26 AM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2020, 07:07 AM)DanSchwartzman Wrote: [ -> ]Cedi Osman is not reporting to Cleveland's Delete 8 voluntary mini-camp...staying in Europe.  Hmmm

Jackson plus 31 is a match for Osman.  I see Osman as an upgrade over Jackson as a bench forward.  That's all he really has to be to consider this improvement.  Reasonable declining contract.  Would slot nicely on a bench of Brunson, Curry, Cedi, Maxi and Powell.

Who's starting though?

DFS at SF.  He’s perfectly fine as our 5th starter, 3&D wing.

(09-27-2020, 08:52 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at the aforementioned emotional toughness of young players like Adebayo, Herro, and Robinson, I think the Mavs need to take a big look at those qualities when looking at draft and undrafted player qualities.

Oh if it was just that simple. Drafting players is always a crap shoot. Nobody thought Duncan Robinson was going to turn out to be the deadly marksman he is. Just like former #1 pick Anthony Bennett is out the league.

I was on the Miami train early, picked them months ago to come out of the East. When I saw them play the Mavs during the reg season I was extremely impressed with their team.

(09-27-2020, 11:42 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 10:11 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:21 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling that either Brown or Smart will be available this off season.

Give me both. Would be tempted to offer KP if I can get both in return.

I would do that - *if* we got the top two of their three draft picks this year and *if* we somehow could do the deal in such a way as to get them to take at least one of our bad contracts. And that's only because of KP's injury concerns. And those two caveats aren't happening when you have Ainge on the other end of the phone.

IF?

There are no ifs. That is an insane trade for the Mavs. Next summer you have a million elite centers available. At that point you take #18+#31 and send Powell down the road to San Antonio for LMA. Next summer you dump Wright.

That´s a pipedream. The options would be endless.

Brown 25
Smart 14
Luka 10
Kleber 9
Curry 8
DFS 4
Brunson 2

That´s 43M in capspace. Just get Giannis or split it all between Jarrett Allen (15), LMA (10) and DeRozan (18).

Luka/Brunson
Smart/Curry
Brown/DeRozan
DFS/Kleber
Allen/LMA

LOL that´s a bench that wins 42-45 games.

You must think KP is going to be crippled by '22 if you think that about that trade. That, or you have a hell-bent, psychotic non-appreciation of his game.

Pushing the parameters of Scott's *if's*. I'm still not sure I do this trade, but this is about the minimum I'd be willing to do most likely for a KP trade:

KP/Powell/2020 pick swap #31 for 14 for Smart/Brown/Theis/2020 pick swap/Bos 2021 first/Bos 2023 first

That puts us whole with our trade to get KP as well as the extra tip (pick swap this year) for getting him through his post-injury year.

Luka/Brunson/Burke (split MLE)
Smart/Curry/#14, 18 or MLE split
Brown/THJ (opted in)/#14, 18 or MLE split
DFS/Kleber/#14, 18 or MLE split
Theis/WCS (opted in)/Boban

In 21 and/or 22 you finish out your big rotation still going after the Giannis dream, but picking up others when that fails. Honestly, I'm not sure that is enough for me to pull the trigger after looking at it, I'd have to be completely sure Brown is worth it. I know Smart is a player I want, this price is pretty big though.

My Malik Beasley dream is dead 

(09-28-2020, 10:56 AM)ItsGoTime Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 11:42 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 10:11 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:44 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:21 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2020, 09:15 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling that either Brown or Smart will be available this off season.

Give me both. Would be tempted to offer KP if I can get both in return.

I would do that - *if* we got the top two of their three draft picks this year and *if* we somehow could do the deal in such a way as to get them to take at least one of our bad contracts. And that's only because of KP's injury concerns. And those two caveats aren't happening when you have Ainge on the other end of the phone.

IF?

There are no ifs. That is an insane trade for the Mavs. Next summer you have a million elite centers available. At that point you take #18+#31 and send Powell down the road to San Antonio for LMA. Next summer you dump Wright.

That´s a pipedream. The options would be endless.

Brown 25
Smart 14
Luka 10
Kleber 9
Curry 8
DFS 4
Brunson 2

That´s 43M in capspace. Just get Giannis or split it all between Jarrett Allen (15), LMA (10) and DeRozan (18).

Luka/Brunson
Smart/Curry
Brown/DeRozan
DFS/Kleber
Allen/LMA

LOL that´s a bench that wins 42-45 games.

You must think KP is going to be crippled by '22 if you think that about that trade. That, or you have a hell-bent, psychotic non-appreciation of his game.

Pushing the parameters of Scott's *if's*. I'm still not sure I do this trade, but this is about the minimum I'd be willing to do most likely for a KP trade:

KP/Powell/2020 pick swap #31 for 14 for Smart/Brown/Theis/2020 pick swap/Bos 2021 first/Bos 2023 first

That puts us whole with our trade to get KP as well as the extra tip (pick swap this year) for getting him through his post-injury year.

Luka/Brunson/Burke (split MLE)
Smart/Curry/#14, 18 or MLE split
Brown/THJ (opted in)/#14, 18 or MLE split
DFS/Kleber/#14, 18 or MLE split
Theis/WCS (opted in)/Boban

In 21 and/or 22 you finish out your big rotation still going after the Giannis dream, but picking up others when that fails. Honestly, I'm not sure that is enough for me to pull the trigger after looking at it, I'd have to be completely sure Brown is worth it. I know Smart is a player I want, this price is pretty big though.

Make it KP/THJ/Wright/Powell/2020 pick swap #31 for 14 for Smart/Brown/Theis/Haywood/2020 pick swap/Bos 2021 first/Bos 2023 first (works in the TradeNBA engine) and Ainge has a deal.

KP could end up being a 30/10/2 player who shoots four pointers, protects the paint, and drives the basket while remaining healthy. If we were certain he would stay (become?) that player, we'd win a championship in the next year or two without adding any other stars.

(09-28-2020, 04:44 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/stat...7918209028

WOWOWOWOWOWOW

I hope you're happy now, #pandemicP

Houston

If Giannis loves Doc so much, he can become our head assistant. Doc can coach the first four games of every play-off series, then Carlisle comes in for the kill.

^^ Figured it was going to happen eventually. The only coach ever to blow 3 3-1 leads. Ballmer is the richest owner in the NBA. He can eat his salary.

(09-28-2020, 04:49 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]^^ Figured it was going happen. Only coach to blow 3 3-1 leads. Ballmer is the richest owner in the NBA. He can eat his salary.

Even worse, you'll never convince me they weren't the best team in basketball this year. For them to bow out in the 2nd round is CRIMINAL. Hard to pin it all on Doc, but I do think he's overrated. 

Still, he will have a head coaching job again right away, if he wants one. Book that.

Woh Doc Rivers is out

(09-28-2020, 04:44 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/stat...7918209028

WOW

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(09-28-2020, 04:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]If Giannis loves Doc so much, he can become our head assistant. Doc can coach the first four games of every play-off series, then Carlisle comes in for the kill.

Just sayin, Doc does have something Carlisle doesn't have, and that's an ability to connect with players. Doc is a player's coach through and through. 

No way he'd ever take an assistant role but boy he'd be the perfect foil to Carlisle. Carlisle runs the X and O's, Doc rallies the team. What a combo that'd be.

(09-28-2020, 06:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2020, 04:44 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/stat...7918209028

WOW

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(09-28-2020, 04:49 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]If Giannis loves Doc so much, he can become our head assistant. Doc can coach the first four games of every play-off series, then Carlisle comes in for the kill.

Just sayin, Doc does have something Carlisle doesn't have, and that's an ability to connect with players. Doc is a player's coach through and through. 

No way he'd ever take an assistant role but boy he'd be the perfect foil to Carlisle. Carlisle runs the X and O's, Doc rallies the team. What a combo that'd be.

I don't see that really working, as players disgruntled with RC's decisions would run to Doc and try to undermine RC.

(09-28-2020, 06:15 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Just sayin, Doc does have something Carlisle doesn't have, and that's an ability to connect with players. 

How do you know this? Is that you, Delonte?