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(09-12-2020, 08:54 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Time to blow up this Houston experiment.

I'm definitely making time tonight to read through Clutchfans.

(09-12-2020, 09:05 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I'm definitely making time tonight to read through Clutchfans.

 If I am Houston, I'd go to Atlanta saying: my bad, we wanted to trade you Westbrook, can we get Capella back

(09-12-2020, 08:11 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-giannis...16681.html

Last time this happened, KP ended up on the Mavs hours later.

When was the last time this has ever happened and turned out well? 

I think Dame met with ownership before his extension, and Kobe in 07....

I mean, every team holds exit interviews with all their players at the end of every season. That might have been all this was.

(09-12-2020, 09:27 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, every team holds exit interviews with all their players at the end of every season. That might have been all this was.

But an exit interview with the owners?? Not every team does that. Most players never meet the owner of the team unless their on a team with Ballmer or Cuban.

Seems like management wanted to see where Giannis' head is at. Doubt the penny pinching owners of the Bucks would go out of their way to pay for CP3 (especially since they essentially let Brogdon go for half as much money), if they think Giannis is on his way out.

The best scenario for Mavs dreamers would be if Giannis told the Bucks he was committed to staying and winning a championship but won't sign the supermax and will reevaluate in 2021. That would put the Bucks on the clock only having one season to get a championship or close enough to make him stay. 

You don't want him forcing a trade because Mavs don't have the assets. You want him making it to free agency.

Watching the Dallas Stars rather than the Rocketts failure to launch.

(09-12-2020, 09:36 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]You don't want him forcing a trade because Mavs don't have the assets. You want making it to free agency.

Almost all teams don't have the assets. Who does? 

Miami's best package would probably be Adebayo+Robinson+Nunn+picks. Which is a great offer but then what is left of the team? They'd be basically Butler+Giannis which is no better (arguably much worse worse) than MIL is currently.

Toronto would be the weakest suitor as a trade partner because of how aging their core is and how they want to retain Siakam. FVV isn't anywhere close to Adebayo or KP. Even still, Siakam showed he isn't a superstar. Solid 3rd option behind Kawhi and Lowry but he is nowhere close to the other suitor's players. 

Andrew Wiggins is a negative asset. Warriors don't have any realistic deal unless they included Klay. They very well could in which case they're a serious contender but I heavily doubt Warriors break up their big 3. They work so well together precisely because of the splash bro's shooting ability. Dray becomes a huge liability when there is only 1 elite shooter on the court. 

Celtics would have to build a package around Tatum. Which makes no sense given they're in the ECF. 

Any other team isn't a serious contender even if they had the assets. Like the Wolves/Suns/Knicks/ 

Mavs could trade KP and still retain their entire team. KP+Brunson+18+31+2025+2027. That's as solid of an offer as Miami's or even the Warriors, and KP is locked up for MIL. 

I wonder if the Bucks would take a trade like OKC took for PG, just loads of picks that is built around a you Brunson+ Seth+Kleber+Dodo+18+31+2025+2026 pick swap+2027+2028 pickswap+2029 all unprotected. That's a crazy deal. I'd include 2nd rounders too in each year. 10 picks and solid role players. 

Maybe Giannis can have his cake and eat it too. Maybe his agent works out a deal where he signs the supermax and is then traded to wherever he wants. If Giannis comes with 6 years guaranteed then I'd be happy to give them 10 picks and whatever they want besides Luka with no protections.

(09-12-2020, 09:43 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Watching the Dallas Stars rather than the Rocketts failure to launch.

I have watched their playoff games and they have been fun to watch...Goalie deserves MVP if they win it all...with the other Goalie hurt he has been an Iron Man who has played his ass off and been stellar...

Who are these "Dallas Stars" of whom you guys write? 

Is that the Dallas WNBA team?

Final stats for the Lakers series:

Tucker: 7 PPG / 6 RPG, 33% from the field.
Covington: 8 PPG / 4 RPG, 51% from the field. 4 PPG, 2.5 RPG. 33% from the field, last two games.

Dorian put up 10 PPG, 6 RPG, 3 APG against the Clippers, 44% from the field, 37% from three, while shutting down PG13. Also makes you wonder, hypothecially, what we could get for DFS. He´s very close to the Crowder/Covington level on an insanely cheap contract. He´s a major asset.

Wes Matthews is my hero   

Luka, KP and now Giannis.

(09-12-2020, 10:08 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Final stats for the Lakers series:

Tucker: 7 PPG / 6 RPG, 33% from the field.
Covington: 8 PPG / 4 RPG, 51% from the field. 4 PPG, 2.5 RPG. 33% from the field, last two games.

Dorian put up 10 PPG, 6 RPG, 3 APG against the Clippers, 44% from the field, 37% from three, while shutting down PG13. Also makes you wonder, hypothecially, what we could get for DFS. He´s very close to the Crowder/Covington level on an insanely cheap contract.  He´s a major asset.

Agree, and why on Earth would they shop that? I think he's the third most important player on the roster!

(09-12-2020, 10:12 PM)Hypermav Wrote: [ -> ]Wes Matthews is my hero   

Luka, KP and now Giannis.

 If that happens, somebody needs to make an archer board with arrows in pictures of Luka, Giannis and KP. 

(09-12-2020, 09:48 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2020, 09:36 PM)StepBackJay Wrote: [ -> ]You don't want him forcing a trade because Mavs don't have the assets. You want making it to free agency.

Almost all teams don't have the assets. Who does? 

Miami's best package would probably be Adebayo+Robinson+Nunn+picks. Which is a great offer but then what is left of the team? They'd be basically Butler+Giannis which is no better (arguably much worse worse) than MIL is currently.

Toronto would be the weakest suitor as a trade partner because of how aging their core is and how they want to retain Siakam. FVV isn't anywhere close to Adebayo or KP. Even still, Siakam showed he isn't a superstar. Solid 3rd option behind Kawhi and Lowry but he is nowhere close to the other suitor's players. 

Andrew Wiggins is a negative asset. Warriors don't have any realistic deal unless they included Klay. They very well could in which case they're a serious contender but I heavily doubt Warriors break up their big 3. They work so well together precisely because of the splash bro's shooting ability. Dray becomes a huge liability when there is only 1 elite shooter on the court. 

Celtics would have to build a package around Tatum. Which makes no sense given they're in the ECF. 

Any other team isn't a serious contender even if they had the assets. Like the Wolves/Suns/Knicks/ 

Mavs could trade KP and still retain their entire team. KP+Brunson+18+31+2025+2027. That's as solid of an offer as Miami's or even the Warriors, and KP is locked up for MIL. 

I wonder if the Bucks would take a trade like OKC took for PG, just loads of picks that is built around a you Brunson+ Seth+Kleber+Dodo+18+31+2025+2026 pick swap+2027+2028 pickswap+2029 all unprotected. That's a crazy deal. I'd include 2nd rounders too in each year. 10 picks and solid role players. 

Maybe Giannis can have his cake and eat it too. Maybe his agent works out a deal where he signs the supermax and is then traded to wherever he wants. If Giannis comes with 6 years guaranteed then I'd be happy to give them 10 picks and whatever they want besides Luka with no protections.

Miami also has Herro so they could offer some combination of Herro, Nunn, Robinson, Adebayo and they could also employee your future draft pick/pick swap strategy if they only wanted to give up two of four.  That pu pu platter returns better talent than what the Mavs would offer if KP isn't part of the deal. I'd certainly turn the Mavs pu pu platter offer down if I'm MIL.  

You also criticize the what's left scenario for Miami but don't do the same for the Mavs.  If KP is in the deal, Giannis would arguably end up on a worse team that what he is leaving or what he could demand to be traded to (Miami).  Plus he'd be in Miami which is a desirable location and with Pat Riley and continues to put title contending product on the court.

Maybe Giannis loves Luka, but if I'm going to take the reputation hit of leaving my team, there are surer bets out there.

(09-12-2020, 10:08 PM)Mavs2019 Wrote: [ -> ]Final stats for the Lakers series:

Tucker: 7 PPG / 6 RPG, 33% from the field.
Covington: 8 PPG / 4 RPG, 51% from the field. 4 PPG, 2.5 RPG. 33% from the field, last two games.

Dorian put up 10 PPG, 6 RPG, 3 APG against the Clippers, 44% from the field, 37% from three, while shutting down PG13. Also makes you wonder, hypothecially, what we could get for DFS. He´s very close to the Crowder/Covington level on an insanely cheap contract.  He´s a major asset.

He is not. Let´s play Dorian at center for 40+ minutes every night and see what happens. You probably won´t like the results. Tucker and RoCo are way better defenders.
They looked really good in the early bubble games and slowly started to fade with growing exhaustion. First round they had to bang against Steven Adams. Against the Lakers they had to guard AD.
DFS would look a lot worse in a similar situation. He isn´t nearly as strong as Tucker and not on RoCo level as a help defender and shot blocker.

Imagine if you could deploy DFS, Tucker, Maxi and RoCo on the same team. Release the hounds.

(09-12-2020, 10:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]He is not. Let´s play Dorian at center for 40+ minutes every night and see what happens. You probably won´t like the results. Tucker and RoCo are way better defenders.
They looked really good in the early bubble games and slowly started to fade with growing exhaustion. First round they had to bang against Steven Adams. Against the Lakers they had to guard AD.
DFS would look a lot worse in a similar situation. He isn´t nearly as strong as Tucker and not on RoCo level as a help defender and shot blocker.

I get your point. It's a little like comparing apples to bowling balls. But, that point works the other way, too. 

I think DFS is a keeper, personally, though I agree that those other guys are better modern "bigs."

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What the Mavs need (eventually) is someone like RoCo to play WITH DFS and KP.

(09-12-2020, 10:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2020, 10:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]He is not. Let´s play Dorian at center for 40+ minutes every night and see what happens. You probably won´t like the results. Tucker and RoCo are way better defenders.
They looked really good in the early bubble games and slowly started to fade with growing exhaustion. First round they had to bang against Steven Adams. Against the Lakers they had to guard AD.
DFS would look a lot worse in a similar situation. He isn´t nearly as strong as Tucker and not on RoCo level as a help defender and shot blocker.

I get your point. It's a little like comparing apples to bowling balls. But, that point works the other way, too. 

I think DFS is a keeper, personally, though I agree that those other guys are better modern "bigs."

They aren´t bigs. RoCo played minutes at SG for the 76ers. It craziness from D´Anthony and Morey. RoCo is 6´7/210, Tucker is 6`6/245. Both are versatile defenders that can play a few minutes as small ball bigs.
I think that DFS is a keeper as well and his contract is an asset but there is no doubt that Tucker and RoCo are better players right now. DFS is obviously younger and can close the gap in the coming years.

(09-12-2020, 10:43 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2020, 10:35 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-12-2020, 10:22 PM)dirkfansince1998 Wrote: [ -> ]He is not. Let´s play Dorian at center for 40+ minutes every night and see what happens. You probably won´t like the results. Tucker and RoCo are way better defenders.
They looked really good in the early bubble games and slowly started to fade with growing exhaustion. First round they had to bang against Steven Adams. Against the Lakers they had to guard AD.
DFS would look a lot worse in a similar situation. He isn´t nearly as strong as Tucker and not on RoCo level as a help defender and shot blocker.

I get your point. It's a little like comparing apples to bowling balls. But, that point works the other way, too. 

I think DFS is a keeper, personally, though I agree that those other guys are better modern "bigs."

They aren´t bigs. RoCo played minutes at SG for the 76ers. It craziness from D´Anthony and Morey. RoCo is 6´7/210, Tucker is 6`6/245. Both are versatile defenders that can play a few minutes as small ball bigs.
I think that DFS is a keeper as well and his contract is an asset but there is no doubt that Tucker and RoCo are better players right now. DFS is obviously younger and can close the gap in the coming years.

Any time DFS drives to the cup with the offense set, I cringe.  I hope that's the next thing he works on.