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(02-05-2022, 10:19 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I hope the talks are revolving around THJ and stuff

(7) Mavs Film Room ?? on Twitter: "Mavs have expressed interested in CJ McCollum and also apparently passed on a potential lottery pick for Dorian Finney-Smith https://t.co/2LmMdK1Sxm" / Twitter

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they have enough to pull that off? 

Seems like it would be hard without moving Brunson, both value-wise and with the resulting roster fit. Luka/MCollum/Brunson would be a dynamite rotation, offensively, but doesn't really jive with the new defensive identity so much (maybe I'm wrong about that).

Well he´s replacing THJ´s defense.

I´m not a fan of McCollum, but if it´s just a straight salary dump for the Blazers like

THJ to Orlando,
Harris to Portland
McCollum to Dallas

plus some trash to make the numbers work, you can count me in.

(02-05-2022, 10:03 AM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]I love Dorian, but a lottery pick? That would be a very nice asset to have next offseason. You’d have to try to replace part of Dorian’s production with the TPE, but this is tempting.

Yeah very tempting. I would want to know the details of the contract DFS wants.

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like it would be hard without moving Brunson, both value-wise and with the resulting roster fit. Luka/MCollum/Brunson would be a dynamite rotation, offensively, but doesn't really jive with the new defensive identity so much (maybe I'm wrong about that).

Yeah if you are trading for CJM then you need to be moving JB to NYK as well IMO.

(02-05-2022, 10:31 AM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]Well he´s replacing THJ´s defense.

I´m not a fan of McCollum, but if it´s just a straight salary dump for the Blazers like

THJ to Orlando,
Harris to Portland
McCollum to Dallas

plus some trash to make the numbers work, you can count me in.

Yeah, I get all of that, and I'd be in, too, in those circumstances. 

I still think it clouds some of the clarity the rotation has achieved recently. I'd think at the minimum, Bullock and Green's roles would be reduced, with Green possibly not being in the playoff rotation at all. Forget about Ntilikina altogether, probably. 

The question is: would that make the team better or worse? Probably better, though I'm starting to buy-in on this "more defense than offense" culture they're building.

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(02-05-2022, 10:36 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah if you are trading for CJM then you need to be moving JB to NYK as well IMO.

Ok, gotcha. 

What from NY do you actually want, though? Is it just about picks? I think Toppin would be a good investment, but I'm not really interested in Robinson as long as KP is here.

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Who knows if this is true...but what team would offer a lottery pick.  Probably would need to be a good team.  Memphis?  Atlanta?

Agree about those two. Washington perhaps also.

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they have enough to pull that off?

It all depends on how badly Portland really wants to move on from McCullom and what is the competition for him. If Portland would be looking to move on, I think main motivation would be to save money. THJ contract is not really optimal for such a deal, compared to for example Sato/Hart/Hayes offer New Orleans can put on the table. 

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Seems like it would be hard without moving Brunson, both value-wise and with the resulting roster fit. Luka/MCollum/Brunson would be a dynamite rotation, offensively, but doesn't really jive with the new defensive identity so much (maybe I'm wrong about that).

These are questions we can't really answer. On one hand, its not like we would be giving up a great defender for a bad one. McCullom is certainly an upgrade over THJ. Would Brunson be ok with the 6th man role again? Would perhaps CJ be ok taking that role?

(02-05-2022, 10:39 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Would Brunson be ok with the 6th man role again? Would perhaps CJ be ok taking that role?

Those are good questions, I agree. My overall point is more about the minutes lost by Bullock, Green and Ntilikina, who'd be so far down the list at that point you might as well include him in the deal. 

The offense would certainly improve, which is probably the right way to think in the Mavs' shoes.

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Who knows if this is true...but what team would offer a lottery pick.  Probably would need to be a good team.  Memphis?  Atlanta?

Reading the rumor tea leaves, I get the feeling there's some smoke between Dallas and Atlanta. Mavs want Collins. Hawks want DFS. And they're playing the negotiating game.

(02-05-2022, 10:37 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]What from NY do you actually want, though? Is it just about picks? I think Toppin would be a good investment, but I'm not really interested in Robinson as long as KP is here.

Mostly picks and young assets to then use elsewhere. There is no player that would be an immediate contributor, so it would be about a long play and probably moving off KP at some point as well. 

I really do feel like the Mavs either stand pat OR if they begin making moves it will cascade into a HUGE roster turnover. There don't seem to be many single move options that make sense.

(02-05-2022, 10:42 AM)Tyler Wrote: [ -> ]Reading the rumor tea leaves, I get the feeling there's some smoke between Dallas and Atlanta. Mavs want Collins. Hawks want DFS. And they're playing the negotiating game.

The deal I'm allowing myself to dream about today is one centered around KP and Gobert.

(02-05-2022, 10:47 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The deal I'm allowing myself to dream about today is one centered around KP and Gobert.

I actually think that isn't the craziest deal from EITHER side......

(02-05-2022, 10:47 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]The deal I'm allowing myself to dream about today is one centered around KP and Gobert.

So put on your UTA hat.....what would you want from the Mavs in such an exchange?

(02-05-2022, 10:24 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they have enough to pull that off? 

Seems like it would be hard without moving Brunson, both value-wise and with the resulting roster fit. Luka/MCollum/Brunson would be a dynamite rotation, offensively, but doesn't really jive with the new defensive identity so much (maybe I'm wrong about that).

Not if they are on the floor with DFS and Bullock. 

McCollum likely goes into the starting lineup and Brunson is our sixth man.

(02-05-2022, 10:50 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]So put on your UTA hat.....what would you want for the Mavs in such an exchange?

Well, IF the rumors about Gobert/Mitchell are true, I think it works as a fairly even swap. Just make the salary numbers work (if you even have to, I haven't checked) and pull the trigger. 

I think Utah will never be a contender as long as Mitchell is their only offensive star - he's not quite good enough. 

I think KP/Luka isn't a great fit, for whatever reason, and adding Gobert, unquestionably one of the three best defensive players in the league, to the defensive system already being built here, might put the Mavericks in the league's top 5.

(02-05-2022, 10:53 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Well, IF the rumors about Gobert/Mitchell are true, I think it works as a fairly even swap. Just make the salary numbers work (if you even have to, I haven't checked) and pull the trigger. 

I think Utah will never be a contender as long as Mitchell is their only offensive star - he's not quite good enough. 

I think KP/Luka isn't a great fit, for whatever reason, and adding Gobert, unquestionably one of the three best defensive players in the league, to the defensive system already being built here, might put the Mavericks in the league's top 5.

I think there is enough of a history there for us to say they aren't just "rumors."

What if UTA comes to you and says:

We want KP + JB (or DFS) for Gobert?

How do you respond? Would you be willing to do one of those? Any counter-offers?

That CP contract just isn't good...plus he is over 30 now.  Who knows what is going on with Dragic and if he can still play.  But I think I would prefer him at the MLE type contract than CJ over 30.   Use our assets for a 4.

(02-05-2022, 10:19 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I hope the talks are revolving around THJ and stuff
 

By "stuff", do we mean DFS?  I actually like that deal for Portland.  Dallas would get CJ and take Nance into their TPE.  

Nothing says Portland is going cheap forever.  In fact, if they want to keep Lillard, they will have to spend some money to keep Simons.  Finney-Smith would fit in very nicely on their team.

Nance would be a big help to the bench O.  The question with any CJ deal is can you play him, Luka and Brunson together.  I suspect you can, but the D won't be championship quality.  Or, you convince someone to come off the bench and divide the 96 minutes three ways playing two at a time at all time.  You'd then split wing time between Bullock and Green and your big rotation would be KP/Maxi and then DP/Nance off the bench.  Or, do you trade JB in this scenario and use the picks to bring in an upgrade somewhere.  One thing about Nance, DP and Maxi.  They all expire at the same time.  so, you'd need a longer term answer coming up behind those guys.

Of course, the other approach to CJ would be something KP based.

Also, I have been and am out on Tobias Harris.   Nice player.  Just really doesn't make a difference.   I am not taking other peoples mistakes just because he may be a 20% better player than we currently have.  If I am taking on a bad contract, it will be someone much more important than Harris.

(02-05-2022, 10:56 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]That CP contract just isn't good...plus he is over 30 now.

But that also means he is not expensive asset wise. I think an overpaid good player is Mavs reality, what they can do with their assets.