I'm intrigued, but a few questions:
Is THJ's salary alone enough to make the trade?
What about DP + Bullock? Too much salary?
Is Hield any upgrade over THJ?
His reputation is 3&D, with emphasis on the 3 and not much on the D, correct?
Is Holmes enough to validate making the trade? He's under contract until a PO in 24/25.
Personally, I think it's worth a shot. At least shake up the team dynamics a bit.
(12-14-2021, 11:46 AM)michaeltex Wrote: [ -> ]Is Holmes enough to validate making the trade?
YES, YES, YES. Holmes would be such a great fit with Luka both offensively and defensively. I don't complain about offseasons too much, but not pursuing RH still REALLY frustrates me especially since the Mavs are trying to play another big with KP.
(12-14-2021, 11:59 AM)Kammrath Wrote: [ -> ]YES, YES, YES. Holmes would be such a great fit with Luka both offensively and defensively. I don't complain about offseasons too much, but not pursuing RH still REALLY frustrates me especially since the Mavs are trying to play another big with KP.
Yeah, for sure.
I keep seeing suggestions for Grant. I'd LOVE that, and have been on the Grant wagon since he was a free agent. He's one of the few players I believe could be a perfect front court partner for KP. But...
...you're absolutely right. If the Mavs insist on playing Porzingis with a center for significant minutes, then the upgrade needed isn't at the 4 (Kleber is a luxury off the bench, imo) it's at the 5, replacing the minutes of both Powell and WCS.
The question is whether they want to add another player at the Holmes price point, or if they want to go cheaper. I could make an argument either way. I think we've seen enough by now to know that regardless of how they want to start games, they're going to end games with one big. Is it worth paying Holmes not to finish games? Would he be happy in that situation? Not sure.
Also, how seriously are we taking this Brown thing? If he can continue to grow (I'm not sure, but I'm starting to believe) then that could be a much more economically viable solution.
I think it's pretty imperative that Powell is removed from the books at the deadline, either way. I'm pretty worried about the Brunson/DFS thing. Show me a deal for an impact player (not a 5) and I might feel better, but right now, I think all roads lead to them just walking in FA next summer, and that's going to drive me insane.
Buddy Love is better than THJ. He's an elite shooter from deep.
(12-14-2021, 12:43 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, for sure.
I keep seeing suggestions for Grant. I'd LOVE that, and have been on the Grant wagon since he was a free agent. He's one of the few players I believe could be a perfect front court partner for KP. But...
...you're absolutely right. If the Mavs insist on playing Porzingis with a center for significant minutes, then the upgrade needed isn't at the 4 (Kleber is a luxury off the bench, imo) it's at the 5, replacing the minutes of both Powell and WCS.
The question is whether they want to add another player at the Holmes price point, or if they want to go cheaper. I could make an argument either way. I think we've seen enough by now to know that regardless of how they want to start games, they're going to end games with one big. Is it worth paying Holmes not to finish games? Would he be happy in that situation? Not sure.
Also, how seriously are we taking this Brown thing? If he can continue to grow (I'm not sure, but I'm starting to believe) then that could be a much more economically viable solution.
I think it's pretty imperative that Powell is removed from the books at the deadline, either way. I'm pretty worried about the Brunson/DFS thing. Show me a deal for an impact player (not a 5) and I might feel better, but right now, I think all roads lead to them just walking in FA next summer, and that's going to drive me insane.
Holmes is water under the bridge, imho. I agree that the twin tower thing will not be implemented in playoffs (hopefully) and it doesn't make much sense in paying that guy much more than vet min. If they absolutely have to play a center in the regular season, I guess Bullock could be moved to bench (and finish the game) to open a starting spot for Grant.
(12-14-2021, 12:49 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I guess Bullock could be moved to bench (and finish the game) to open a starting spot for Grant.
I see what you're saying, but I just can't get there.
I don't like Grant at the 3 nearly as much as I like him at the 4, and ditto that for sliding DFS out of position.
It's really all about KP, which sucks, imo. Deciding what position he plays (and being brave enough to play him there) is STILL the most pressing need of this team, imo. If, of course, the plan is to keep him here.
(12-14-2021, 12:53 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I see what you're saying, but I just can't get there.
I don't like Grant at the 3 nearly as much as I like him at the 4, and ditto that for sliding DFS out of position.
It's really all about KP, which sucks, imo. Deciding what position he plays (and being brave enough to play him there) is STILL the most pressing need of this team, imo. If, of course, the plan is to keep him here.
I agree with you. CHaving one team for regular season and another for playoffs is super hard to build. One way could be to have that center spot locked for close to vet min (as Lakers had with JaVale and Howard) and you optimize the other four starters. You can't afford to have an expensive/good guy from bench. In any case it would be Bullock out because Luka-Bullock-DFS-KP is not good enough. So if PF is not your target, than Mavs would have to go after a guard. Which automatically means Brunson is out of the picture for next season (but it doesn't really matter if we are including him in Grant trade anyway).
Westbrook could be a target as it would certainly teach Luka to play offball
On a more serious note, no one listed so far really fits the 3-D can create a bit for himself guard description, unless you trade for Irving.
(12-14-2021, 12:46 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Buddy Love is better than THJ. He's an elite shooter from deep.
38% FG and 35% on his threes this year. Oh and add to that that THJ looks like Kawhi on defense next to Buddy! We musn't throw our assets to get players who aren't really better than what we have...
I get the Holmes love, but there is one center that is rumored to be on the trade block and it's Turner... I don't want Sabonis, Myles is the only guy from the Pacers I would love to have... The Mavs need defense around Luka if they ever want to be a true contender, and Turner is that. I get it why some of you are worried about his PnR stats, but he is playing next to Sabonis, who loves to be near the basket and is their primary PnR guy. Having Turner would mean we can have 2 bigs on the floor while playing 5out offense.. Oh and the rim protection between him and KP would be bonkers.
I would par ways with Brunson and a 25/27pick for Turner.
(12-14-2021, 01:06 PM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]I get the Holmes love, but there is one center that is rumored to be on the trade block and it's Turner... I don't want Sabonis, Myles is the only guy from the Pacers I would love to have... The Mavs need defense around Luka if they ever want to be a true contender, and Turner is that. I get it why some of you are worried about his PnR stats, but he is playing next to Sabonis, who loves to be near the basket and is their primary PnR guy. Having Turner would mean we can have 2 bigs on the floor while playing 5out offense.. Oh and the rim protection between him and KP would be bonkers.
I would par ways with Brunson and a 25/27pick for Turner.
I like Turner, but the secondary creator issue would increase, if you are paying Brunson to get him.
(12-14-2021, 01:14 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I like Turner, but the secondary creator issue would increase, if you are paying Brunson to get him.
The Mavs are either getting Dragić at the deadline/after he gets bought out, or in the 2022 offseason. And there is your secondary creator!
(12-14-2021, 01:46 PM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]The Mavs are either getting Dragić at the deadline/after he gets bought out, or in the 2022 offseason. And there is your secondary creator!
I think you need one playinfg next to Doncic and I don't believe Luka-Dragic-KP defense would work. In either case, Dragic is a short term solution. Afterwards you still don't have the assets to solve it longterm
If the Pacers are fire-selling, can we have Brogdon?
(12-14-2021, 04:10 PM)Scott41theMavs Wrote: [ -> ]If the Pacers are fire-selling, can we have Brogdon?
Unfortunately Brogdon can't be traded this season. Maybe if IND continues to sell their pieces we can get him in the summer.
(12-14-2021, 01:06 PM)juanc Wrote: [ -> ]38% FG and 35% on his threes this year. Oh and add to that that THJ looks like Kawhi on defense next to Buddy! We musn't throw our assets to get players who aren't really better than what we have...
They are both bottom of the barrel defenders. I might give THJ the nod for hustle. THJ up until recently was shooting 32% from 3PT. Buddy Love is a flat out better shooter and has a contract that expires sooner. That's an upgrade. Not an upgrade I'd be willing to give up much for (say FRPs) but given a choice, Love is the obvious guy you'd rather have.