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(01-20-2022, 12:09 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]THE DREAM IS BACK ON DAN, LET'S GO!

In no way do I want to help the Lakers even if it gives us Anthony Davis. 

Let the franchise crumble. Grab the scraps after the collapse.

(01-20-2022, 12:14 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I could be interested. Two questions:

1) What's the cost in trade?

2) Whose job does he take once he's here? In your mind, does he play in front of whoever is left of Bullock/Hardaway or come off the bench to spell them?

I don't think he can start for two reasons:

-Kidd is figuring this out and we have some really nice chemistry going.
-He's regressed.  Kidd needs to build him back up.  

No idea what he'd cost.  I really don't think we have anything from a salary matching perspective that the Lakers would want.  I still think they'll do everything they can to get rid of Westbrook and I still think THT is one of the few assets left in their arsenal.   If they want any chance of competing this year or next, Westbrook needs to go.

In the salary range:

Maxi + Josh + Pick
Bullock + Josh + Pick 

Lakers have all of their salary in LeBron, WBrick and Brow.  THT is their next highest paid player by almost a factor of two.

I'm not sure either team would be interested in the deal.

Even still.

THE DREAM IS ALIVE

(01-20-2022, 12:19 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Let the franchise crumble. Grab the scraps after the collapse.

They've collapsed.  This is picking up the scraps.  The LeBron era is over unless he joins another super team.

(01-20-2022, 12:21 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]No idea what he'd cost

THT is quite literally the last expendable (and remotely valuable) asset the Lakers have left. They're desperate. They need a lot of fixes. THT is their way to fix at least one of them.


No shot would he could be had for a bargain price. Which means he'd most likely cost 1 of DFS, Maxi, Green or Bullock just based on salary. 

(01-20-2022, 12:21 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure either team would be interested in the deal.

I think the Lakers would love some of the Mavs productive role players. I don't think the Mavs really care for THT though.

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(01-20-2022, 12:25 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]They've collapsed.  This is picking up the scraps.  The LeBron era is over unless he joins another super team.

They haven't collapsed until they miss the playoffs.

(01-20-2022, 12:21 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Maxi + Josh + Pick
Bullock + Josh + Pick 

I would definitely not do a deal for him with Kleber in it. 

Bullock, you could talk me into, but...will you hate me if I say this recent stretch has me wondering if Green might not just be a better player than THT? I haven't seen him very much this season, I admit (no more hehe).

(01-20-2022, 12:27 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]I would definitely not do a deal for him with Kleber in it. 

Bullock, you could talk me into, but...will you hate me if I say this recent stretch has me wondering if Green might not just be a better player than THT? I haven't seen him very much this season, I admit (no more hehe).

Fire Kidd and promote Red Jesus 2.0 and you might talk me into keeping Josh.  

Seriously though, Kidd knows better than anyone so I'd trust the trade for THT if the Mavs made it because of him.

I just don't see a trade there.  They'd probably want a FRP as well.  No way the Mavs do the deal.  

(01-20-2022, 12:27 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't collapsed until they miss the playoffs.

No, it's over.  Westbrook is a $91m disaster and the Lakers would need to mortgage their future just to get him off the team which still wouldn't fix them.  Done done, done.  I wouldn't be shocked if LeBron asks for a trade this offseason.

(01-20-2022, 12:33 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Seriously though, Kidd knows better than anyone so I'd trust the trade for THT if the Mavs made it because of him.

Really good point.

(01-20-2022, 12:21 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think he can start for two reasons:

-Kidd is figuring this out and we have some really nice chemistry going.
-He's regressed.  Kidd needs to build him back up.   

In the salary range:

Maxi + Josh + Pick
Bullock + Josh + Pick 
 

THE DREAM IS ALIVE

He really has regressed, but his numbers have been much better since his move to the bench.  Westbrook and THT are just an awful fit.  Westbrook with Monk is much better.  

I'm out on any deal that includes Josh (sorry dude, you are on your own there).  A vet who can shoot and play D (Bullock?) for THT makes sense for LA in the here and now.  In a season and a half, LA is down to AD and THT and a clean cap sheet.  Bullock's guarantee in 23 is about half of THT's player option.  I think you'd have to add something for THT's age and upside, but that something isn't Josh.    

As to fit, he'd provide more shot creation than Bullock, and can probably lead the second unit like he's doing now in LA.  But that 3% is just a killer on a team that needs better shooting.  It is nice to have Kidd's intimate knowledge of the kid, but I don't see LA taking what I'd offer (Bullock, Frank + 2nd or Bullock, Moses +2nd).

Responding to the talk of a "second Maxi", I think PJ Washington would fit the bill.  I saw an idea on a site I've never heard of that had PJ moving in a 3 way with Orlando.  It was Powell/PJ and JT Thor to Orlando, Ross and MCW to Dallas, and Bamba, Frank to Charlotte.  

With apologies to 2021, I like Bamba to Charlotte, but I'd rather send PJ to Dallas.  Orlando doesn't need three more bigs.  The question is what would Orlando want that we could provide.  Doesn't THJ have a house in Orlando and don't the Magic have a coach that knows him and some need for vet leadership and some O (currently ranked 28th)?

Seems like there might be something that gets Bamba to Charlotte, Ross and Washington to Dallas and THJ and minor stuff to Orlando.

(01-20-2022, 08:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Responding to the talk of a "second Maxi", I think PJ Washington would fit the bill.  I saw an idea on a site I've never heard of that had PJ moving in a 3 way with Orlando.  It was Powell/PJ and JT Thor to Orlando, Ross and MCW to Dallas, and Bamba, Frank to Charlotte.  

With apologies to 2021, I like Bamba to Charlotte, but I'd rather send PJ to Dallas.  Orlando doesn't need three more bigs.  The question is what would Orlando want that we could provide.  Doesn't THJ have a house in Orlando and don't the Magic have a coach that knows him and some need for vet leadership and some O (currently ranked 28th)?

Seems like there might be something that gets Bamba to Charlotte, Ross and Washington to Dallas and THJ and minor stuff to Orlando.

That would be an interesting fit.    Washington has been rumored to go in deals for a big.    So I think he is definitely available in the right deal.  

I mentioned yesterday that I was out on Bamba.  Well last night he hit 7 threes in the first half against Philly.  So, what do I know.

(01-20-2022, 08:54 AM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]I mentioned yesterday that I was out on Bamba.  Well last night he hit 7 threes in the first half against Philly.  So, what do I know.

The Pick and Pop king.  He was 12 of 15 overall and hit 7 of 8 threes in the first half (Orlando was actually leading at halftime).

https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?ContextMeasure=FGM&EndPeriod=0&EndRange=28800&GameID=0022100668&PlayerID=1628964&RangeType=0&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&StartPeriod=0&StartRange=0&TeamID=1610612753&flag=3&sct=plot§ion=game

(01-20-2022, 07:47 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]He really has regressed, but his numbers have been much better since his move to the bench.  Westbrook and THT are just an awful fit.  Westbrook with Monk is much better.  

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/3310...ources-say

Lakers are kind of a mess as a whole.  THT's regression doesn't bother me (yet).  I still see the upside and he's still a puppy.

Why give up JG for THT?  Try to have both.  JG always plays well when given minutes. Only issue with him is that he is a bit too unselfish. He is a multi tool guy if developed correctly and can defend well too.  I like THT a bit more but if Mavs want to get out this decade mess on asset management, the key is to hoard more young talents than just swap one for the other.

Yeah, probably can't trade Josh at this point, based on his possible trajectory, unless he's part of a package that brings an obvous, great fit, additional star.

They think a pack of... Green/Bullock/Ntilikina/Dallas 26 catches us at Anunoby..?

(01-20-2022, 08:11 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Responding to the talk of a "second Maxi", I think PJ Washington would fit the bill.  I saw an idea on a site I've never heard of that had PJ moving in a 3 way with Orlando.  It was Powell/PJ and JT Thor to Orlando, Ross and MCW to Dallas, and Bamba, Frank to Charlotte.  

With apologies to 2021, I like Bamba to Charlotte, but I'd rather send PJ to Dallas.  Orlando doesn't need three more bigs.  The question is what would Orlando want that we could provide.  Doesn't THJ have a house in Orlando and don't the Magic have a coach that knows him and some need for vet leadership and some O (currently ranked 28th)?

Seems like there might be something that gets Bamba to Charlotte, Ross and Washington to Dallas and THJ and minor stuff to Orlando.

Love the PJ idea and turning THJ into him, but man the Ross contract is basically dead cap.  He has been so bad this year, like G league bad.

(01-20-2022, 01:24 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Love the PJ idea and turning THJ into him, but man the Ross contract is basically dead cap.  He has been so bad this year, like G league bad.

Yeah, that was on purpose as I looked at the choice being either taking Ross or Harris with PJ.  I figured taking the second year of Ross would be considered part of the “compensation” for what is otherwise a Bamba for THJ deal.  Harris is expiring and I think Orlando would rather keep him and let him expire than keep Ross’s month for two years on a roster that also has THJ.

I’m not sure what Orlando is looking for in a Bamba trade.  I’m not sure THJ and getting Ross off of next year’s cap is enough.  Not sure what else though.  Moses?

(01-20-2022, 07:47 AM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]He really has regressed, but his numbers have been much better since his move to the bench.  Westbrook and THT are just an awful fit.  Westbrook with Monk is much better.  

I'm out on any deal that includes Josh (sorry dude, you are on your own there).  A vet who can shoot and play D (Bullock?) for THT makes sense for LA in the here and now.  In a season and a half, LA is down to AD and THT and a clean cap sheet.  Bullock's guarantee in 23 is about half of THT's player option.  I think you'd have to add something for THT's age and upside, but that something isn't Josh.    

As to fit, he'd provide more shot creation than Bullock, and can probably lead the second unit like he's doing now in LA.  But that 3% is just a killer on a team that needs better shooting.  It is nice to have Kidd's intimate knowledge of the kid, but I don't see LA taking what I'd offer (Bullock, Frank + 2nd or Bullock, Moses +2nd).

Bullock is +123 for the Mavs
THT is -36 for the Lakers

Bullock defense on/off -8, not sure why people are eager to get rid of him. He is literally the Anti Josh Richardson so far. This is during the last 11 games:

(01-20-2022, 02:27 PM)sefant Wrote: [ -> ]Bullock defense on/off -8, not sure why people are eager to get rid of him. 

Why are “people” so anxious to label anyone who entertains a trade idea out loud as trying to “dump” or “get rid of” of someone.  Why can’t “people” understand that discussion and advocacy are not the same things.

Not that I’d expect people to remember, but it was me that pointed out a few days ago that Bullock had the best lineup data alongside both Luka and KP.  Most everyone else has been good with one or the other.  Bullock is the exception strangely enough.  Doesn’t mean we can’t entertain a discussion of his worth relative to someone else’s.  

Speaking of ideas, I get this thing that shows up on my You Tube called Chat Sports or some such.  Their idea was Walker/Toppin/2023 for JB/Powell.  FWIW, Toppin would be a really nice fit next to KP in the starting lineup some day.  IF…IF you could immediately turn THJ and two picks into a really top notch guy AND get Toppin in the process, I might be willing to begrudgingly let go of Powell

(01-20-2022, 05:45 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Why are “people” so anxious to label anyone who entertains a trade idea out loud as trying to “dump” or “get rid of” of someone.  Why can’t “people” understand that discussion and advocacy are not the same things.

I agree. Any idea is worth talking about, and not necessarily a reflection of how the poster feels about any specific outgoing player involved. It's usually just a stab at predicting the cost. 

...except when DFS is involved. That crosses the line, obviously. Dorian Finney-Smith is a treasure.

EDIT: I am determined to help more people grow to love ironic humor around here.