(09-14-2021, 01:46 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]So with the lack of any other news lets play with this a bit. Mavs have sort of a silly way to do it. They would need to send out a bit over 35 mil. I don't think it makes any sense to trade KP. So the alternative could be Powell and SnT Reddick for remaining salary. Houston saves money, Dallas gets a secondary playmaker for basically nothing and Reddick a big payday. I would consider doing it. Its Cubans money anyway 
The problem is, it would start the tax - he has to be healthy for that.
(09-14-2021, 12:25 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status...7943076869
Question, would any one be willing to take a chance on Wall if it also meant multiple firsts from HOU as well? Not saying HOU would ever do that, as they'd probably just hold till a buyout, but it's an intriguing thought.
I would be shocked if Houston found a taker this year for him. Maybe next year when he is an expiring, but trying to find a match for him would be really tough. I am sure Houston doesn't want to give up assets or get a longer contract back either.
I know they are saying he won't be bought out, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him bought out during the season. Maybe after the trade deadline. He is probably not a great fit next to Luka because he is so ball dominant and not a great shooter, but I would still consider it.
He career has not gone as low as Derrick Rose's, but I do wonder if he eventually finds solid fitting as a solid piece for a good team. Injuries has robbed him but he is the same age as Damon Lillard.
(09-14-2021, 01:53 PM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is, it would start the tax - he has to be healthy for that.
As I said, it is Cubans money
I think he is healthy. Or did I miss something?
(09-14-2021, 02:15 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I would certainly consider something like this. Even without the pick. Wood was doing things KP should be doing last season and you get Wall as a bonus.
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/stat...4911946757
I would absolutely love a deal like that.
In fact I'd add in Eric Gordon too. He also has terrible salary, but could provide the bench scoring the Mavs are looking for.
Just saying I know adding in Gordon all but kills the deal because of his salary. Mavs would have to add an additional 15 mil if my napkin math is correct for salaries to match. In any case Wall+Wood+1st+2nd for KP+Powell is a good deal.
(09-14-2021, 01:46 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]They would need to send out a bit over 35 mil. I don't think it makes any sense to trade KP. So the alternative could be Powell and SnT Reddick for remaining salary.
That won't get you there. Redick would be Base Year at anything bigger than about $15.6M. Also, the Mavs have to stay under the apron, which means that outgoing non-Redick salary would need to be $22M-ish at a minimum. That means the Mavs can't just send meh pieces, but would have to also send out multiple
valued pieces to accomplish the trade match.
They would end up taxpayers THIS season, before Luka's enormous salary jump even begins.
And all that for John Wall, his massive contract, and his current level of play and health. He's just not worth it.
Clips could do Bledsoe, Ibaka and Kennard for Wall and House.
Gives them another scorer to help out George while Kawai is out.
I wonder if they end up dumping him somewhere or paying someone to take him and the new team buys him out?
I'm in the middle of "No way, he's too good", "No way, that's too much money" and "Weeeelllll, maybe..."
(09-14-2021, 06:16 PM)TXBamanut Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they end up dumping him somewhere or paying someone to take him and the new team buys him out?
I'm in the middle of "No way, he's too good", "No way, that's too much money" and "Weeeelllll, maybe..."
He fills the need of a secondary creator. For as imperfect as Wall might be he has always been able to score.
But 80 mil over 2 years just isn't feasible for a player of his caliber anymore. Would love him on the buyout market though.
All it takes is one injury and someone will convince themselves they need to spring for JW to try and save a season.
He could be the next Roy Williams in Dallas.
Sources said the Rockets do not want to give up first-round draft compensation in a Wall trade and would not have interest in discussing a buyout until possibly after free agency next summer.
Good luck with that Houston.
John Wall the person and teammate is worth every penny that he has coming to him.
John Wall the player is worth less than half he has coming to him, at best.
He makes no sense for Dallas unless he is bought out and decides to come here for little. Yes, he can get you 20/8 but the man was "healthy" last season and played 40 games. In his last 4 seasons, he's played less than 1.5 of the games he should have. Do we need to invest assets of any sort for that right now? Now on the wrong side of 30, with a game predicated on elite athleticism & a medical jacket that includes major knee surgeries and an torn Achilles? His game isn't going to age wel, when he's available. The inefficiency and lack of shooting from beyond 18 feet are difficult to overcome, if you're speaking about an acquisition that comes at the cost of real players, picks and cap dollars.
Had we signed Kyle Lowry, this is a move that smacks of Miami. Unless HOU finds a way to talk both OKC & Wall into a temporary marriage, unlikely given the similar profiles of the two franchises, he isn't going anywhere this season unless it's via buy out.
(09-19-2021, 09:22 AM)jdb152 Wrote: [ -> ]John Wall the person and teammate is worth every penny that he has coming to him.
John Wall the player is worth less than half he has coming to him, at best.
He makes no sense for Dallas unless he is bought out and decides to come here for little. Yes, he can get you 20/8 but the man was "healthy" last season and played 40 games. In his last 4 seasons, he's played less than 1.5 of the games he should have. Do we need to invest assets of any sort for that right now? Now on the wrong side of 30, with a game predicated on elite athleticism & a medical jacket that includes major knee surgeries and an torn Achilles? His game isn't going to age wel, when he's available. The inefficiency and lack of shooting from beyond 18 feet are difficult to overcome, if you're speaking about an acquisition that comes at the cost of real players, picks and cap dollars.
Had we signed Kyle Lowry, this is a move that smacks of Miami. Unless HOU finds a way to talk both OKC & Wall into a temporary marriage, unlikely given the similar profiles of the two franchises, he isn't going anywhere this season unless it's via buy out.
I don't think the Mavs need a fully healthy Wall. Same goes for Dragic who is hurt a lot as well. They just need a guy to help Luka when he gets gassed mid season and for the playoffs.
Doubt he gets bought out though. Dragic has a much higher chance of getting bought out than Wall IMO.
I would definitely consider a trade for Eric Gordon with Powell and Burke as the outgoing pieces (add a second rounder). Houston saves some money and gets a second rounder as a motivation.
In this hypothetical Mavs:
- get arguably best player in the trade
- lose Burke we don't really need
- lose Powell who is at most crowded position -C, so no real worries there, unless he is expected to be the starter (I doubt)
- clears roster spot for Ntilikina
- clears possible minutes for M.Brown
- further strengthen the wing rotation
- add scoring power to bench
Depth chart:
Luka, Brunson, Terry
THJ, Gordon, Ntilikina
DFS, Brown, Green
Bullock, Kleber
KP, WCS, Brown, Bobi
(09-21-2021, 10:36 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I would definitely consider a trade for Eric Gordon with Powell and Burke as the outgoing pieces (add a second rounder). Houston saves some money and gets a second rounder as a motivation.
In this hypothetical Mavs:
- get arguably best player in the trade
- lose Burke we don't really need
- lose Powell who is at most crowded position -C, so no real worries there, unless he is expected to be the starter (I doubt)
- clears roster spot for Ntilikina
- clears possible minutes for M.Brown
- further strengthen the wing rotation
- add scoring power to bench
Depth chart:
Luka, Brunson, Terry
THJ, Gordon, Ntilikina
DFS, Brown, Green
Bullock, Kleber
KP, WCS, Brown, Bobi
I just can´t see why you have Powell and KP as a Center and Maxi as a PF. Please explain.
As I see it, we have 4 bigs getting minutes KP, Maxi, Powell and WCS and Bobi for special occasions. Brown will eat into Bobis and WCS minutes at best. DFS might get some time at the 4.
As we will load manage KP this seems totally reasonable.
I would like to get a playmaker as dire as you, but he must be a safer upgrade than a washed and constanly injured Gordon, to part with Powell.
From Marc Stein:
Quote:Another source close to the situation told me: “Right now, I don’t see a scenario where Ben is back in Philly."
The source meant it with permanence. As in: Simmons’ career with the Sixers, to the source, is over.
Quote:Philadelphia looks no closer to a trade to bring an end to this stalemate.
Quote:Weeks of Philadelphia’s Simmons talks with various teams haven't brought the Sixers to the brink of a deal, largely because Morey is the one faced with trying to get commensurate value for his All-Star and still asking for so much in return in his determination to recoup a trade package that, as one source put it, keeps Philadelphia in title contention. History, however, says that Philadelphia’s president of basketball operations shouldn’t count on getting a glittering package back when a deal finally materializes — his own history.
You'll recall that Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and two future first-round picks were the price tag for Morey's Rockets when they acquired Harden from Oklahoma City in October 2012. Five years later, when Paul forced his way to Houston, Morey merely surrendered Lou Williams, Montrezl Harrell, Patrick Beverley and a future first-round pick.
Quote:Yet league sources maintain, as noted above, that the Sixers are actively trying to convince Simmons to rejoin the team even though he has made it clear to management that he doesn't want to spend another second as a Sixer.
Quote:Toronto, Minnesota, Cleveland, San Antonio and Sacramento — all of them, league sources say, have engaged with Philadelphia in Simmons trade talks. They're also all bubble playoff teams at best based in markets not known for attracting free agents and surely love the idea of acquiring Simmons when the 25-year-old is locked into three guaranteed seasons on his contract after this one.
None of those aforementioned teams, though, has a perennial All-Star around whom to assemble a trade package. The Timberwolves could get there with Karl-Anthony Towns, but Philadelphia doesn’t need a center and Minnesota has made Towns and promising second-year swingman Anthony Edwards unavailable in trade talks anyway.
Morey is surely hoping that a slow start for Portland or Sacramento could lead to the sort of early tension that prompts Damian Lillard to finally ask for a trade, or the sort of desperation that nudges the Kings into making De’Aaron Fox available. Morey frankly needs an assist of some sort.
Quote:Because of the way his contract is structured, Simmons was scheduled to receive half of his $33 million salary this season in separate 25% installments on Aug. 1 and again next weekend on Oct. 1.
Any fines that the Sixers try to assess in response to Simmons no-shows, according to league rules, could not be docked from checks until November, after regular-season games commence, because that’s the standard starting point for when paychecks begin to be issued leaguewide.
Given that Simmons will have already collected half of his 2021-22 salary before the Sixers can actually inflict a cash penalty, it's thus possible that the advance payments will embolden Simmons even more to hold firm on his holdout to try to pressure Morey into trading him before he wants to.
Yet there is likewise great curiosity about the NBA's potential reaction. Would Commissioner Adam Silver go beyond exerting mere backchannel pressure on Simmons to report and step in to sanction him if he doesn’t? Several league insiders think so, but I’m not so sure.
(09-21-2021, 10:36 AM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I would definitely consider a trade for Eric Gordon with Powell and Burke as the outgoing pieces (add a second rounder). Houston saves some money and gets a second rounder as a motivation.
In this hypothetical Mavs:
- get arguably best player in the trade
- lose Burke we don't really need
- lose Powell who is at most crowded position -C, so no real worries there, unless he is expected to be the starter (I doubt)
- clears roster spot for Ntilikina
- clears possible minutes for M.Brown
- further strengthen the wing rotation
- add scoring power to bench
Depth chart:
Luka, Brunson, Terry
THJ, Gordon, Ntilikina
DFS, Brown, Green
Bullock, Kleber
KP, WCS, Brown, Bobi
I actually love that hypothetical.
Gordon can ballhandle a bit as well and can lead the bench scoring unit. He's basically a better Burke on steroids, but is also getting paid 5x more.
Instead of a 2nd I'd add in Terry as a prospect that can actually get minutes on the Rockets. Especially since they're not playing Wall this year Terry should be able to get plenty of minutes.
Mavs also stay under the tax with the trade, which will basically almost pay for Gordon's contract itself. Relies on Houston being content with shipping Gordon away for free though.