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(12-21-2021, 03:01 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]If you are NY, would you switch our protected 2023 pick for 2022 unprotrected? Based on where Mavs are now, this would not be just a very tempting option but something a little asset would be worth paying, imho.

No, they won't. 
Knicks don't care about the pick, they want them as trading assets, and that means they want it as far as possible so they don't have to burn it like Boston did.

Never mind helping a team in same situation who wants to compete with them in trademarket whenever a star is available. 

If this is what you want, then better hope they trade the pick to rebuilding team and we negotiate with them.

(12-21-2021, 06:53 PM)RedFlag41 Wrote: [ -> ]If you think KP, JB is our best asset package right now, who do you think is/are the best player/s we can get with that package in order to improve the team?

I've been tinkering with the idea of doing the Lakers a solid with some combination of KP + Bullock or THJ for Westbrook + THT + FRP(s) and/or dumping Powell.

Why would LA do it?  They need shooting and defense which we could help fill those holes and they need to get rid of Westbrook and I doubt you'd get a better package. LeBron's window is probably already closed but this would be their last ditch effort.   
Why would the Mavs do it?  They wouldn't but, THT is a young talent on a good contract and future FRPs from the Lakers could be really, really valuable and at worst are trade ammunition.

(12-21-2021, 06:30 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]We also can't go back to last years version of KP as an afterthought either.  I just don't think you can have Luka at his best and KP at his best with the two sharing the floor.

Last year is looking more and more like an aberration for KP.  Two years ago both Luka and KP played well and played well together.  Don't think Luka's issues have been KP this year.  Its been more about him being out of shape, our coach burdening him with two centers, and nobody being able to hit a shot.

(12-22-2021, 09:46 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Last year is looking more and more like an aberration for KP.  Two years ago both Luka and KP played well and played well together.  Don't think Luka's issues have been KP this year.  Its been more about him being out of shape, our coach burdening him with two centers, and nobody being able to hit a shot.

That doesn't really refute my point.  I have no doubt that they can play well together, they've done it before.  I just think we see the very best from both when they don't share the floor together.  It's just not a natural fit.

(12-21-2021, 06:40 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]So would Julius Randle fit with this team?   I don't think he is gettable now but maybe with another half season or season of uninspired play.   Not sure if he would defend enough but he interior play and ball handling would work nice, I think.

https://twitter.com/KevinOConnorNBA/stat...7232387072

I really liked KOC, when he broke onto the national scene, but I have come to the realisation that he´s a moron. So many bad takes. KJumps on every bandwagon and hates the allegedly empty stats type players. Obviously can´t admit when´s wrong. I think his partner Chris Vernon has him beat by miles.

If we are entering the trade KP island, it's just very difficult to find partners who are actually interested in trading FOR Porzingis. With better options like Turner, Sabonis, Wood and Nurkic available offers would be very few and bad. The ones I could see going after him are:

CHA (Hayward?); - They absolutely need to address the center position if they want to compete.

SAC: (Hield + Bagley?); - Higher ceiling on a guard oriented team, opening the lane more for Fox/Haliburton.

SAS: (Poeltl + White?); - Higher ceiling on a wing oriented team, would add some needed offense.

Those are probably it. My best bet is we'll keep him for lack of decent offers and try to find a trade of:

Thimothy (unlikely because the morons like his "leadership");

OR

Powell/Bullock/Cauley-Stein (for someone in a bad contract that can at least play some positive good minutes for us).

(12-22-2021, 02:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we are entering the trade KP island, it's just very difficult to find partners who are actually interested in trading FOR Porzingis. With better options like Turner, Sabonis, Wood and Nurkic available offers would be very few and bad. The ones I could see going after him are:

CHA (Hayward?); - They absolutely need to address the center position if they want to compete.

SAC: (Hield + Bagley?); - Higher ceiling on a guard oriented team, opening the lane more for Fox/Haliburton.

SAS: (Poeltl + White?); - Higher ceiling on a wing oriented team, would add some needed offense.

Those are probably it. My best bet is we'll keep him for lack of decent offers and try to find a trade of:

Thimothy (unlikely because the morons like his "leadership");

OR

Powell/Bullock/Cauley-Stein (for someone in a bad contract that can at least play some positive good minutes for us).

While Hield + Bagley would be interesting I'm not sure either team would come to terms.  I'm assuming Mavs would a little more compensation from the deal and with the Kings only owning their own FRPs, those are probably off limits with a team that looks headed towards the lottery.  I also think they'd be much more likely to look for draft compensation for moving Hield to a contender.  Still, if you could somehow work this out and then ship THJ (with the gained draft compensation) to Detroit for Grant, that would be a solid series of moves.

As for KP destinations, you could start looking for desperate/handcuffed would-be contenders like the Lakers.

(12-22-2021, 02:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we are entering the trade KP island, it's just very difficult to find partners who are actually interested in trading FOR Porzingis. With better options like Turner, Sabonis, Wood and Nurkic available offers would be very few and bad. The ones I could see going after him are:

CHA (Hayward?); - They absolutely need to address the center position if they want to compete.

SAC: (Hield + Bagley?); - Higher ceiling on a guard oriented team, opening the lane more for Fox/Haliburton.

SAS: (Poeltl + White?); - Higher ceiling on a wing oriented team, would add some needed offense.

Those are probably it. My best bet is we'll keep him for lack of decent offers and try to find a trade of:

Thimothy (unlikely because the morons like his "leadership");

OR

Powell/Bullock/Cauley-Stein (for someone in a bad contract that can at least play some positive good minutes for us).

I still like the Bamba/Harris/Magic 2nd round pick package.

Gary Harris has shown some signs of life lately. 14/4/2 with 50/43/77 shooting over the last 10 games as a starter. Magic went 2-8, but he was a net positive in six games, so still seems to be an impact player on defense. You get him in here, probably a decent chance to re-sign him for 18/3 or something to come off the bench. Still only 27 years old.

Mo Bamba is a restricted FA. I´d retain his services and make him compete with a rookie C Mark Williams (our projected pick range). No big investments at C. Add one veteran. Just guys that can defend, rebound and finish at the rim. Bamba even shooting a respectable 33% from three. The big money commitment needs to be made elsewhere.

 We really should have let THJ walk and go hard after Markkanen/Collins. They´d be a perfect front-court fit with somebody like Bamba.

(12-22-2021, 02:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we are entering the trade KP island, it's just very difficult to find partners who are actually interested in trading FOR Porzingis. With better options like Turner, Sabonis, Wood and Nurkic available offers would be very few and bad. The ones I could see going after him are:

CHA (Hayward?); - They absolutely need to address the center position if they want to compete.

SAC: (Hield + Bagley?); - Higher ceiling on a guard oriented team, opening the lane more for Fox/Haliburton.

SAS: (Poeltl + White?); - Higher ceiling on a wing oriented team, would add some needed offense.

Those are probably it. My best bet is we'll keep him for lack of decent offers and try to find a trade of:

Thimothy (unlikely because the morons like his "leadership");

OR

Powell/Bullock/Cauley-Stein (for someone in a bad contract that can at least play some positive good minutes for us).

I was on the Hayward trade bandwagon in the offseason as we could have then signed Holmes and THJ (or something better).  That would have been basically trading KP/WCS for Hayward/Holmes.  Not nearly as appealing now.

I would pull the Poeltl/White trade in a second, which means the Spurs probably would not.  That seems like way too much value for KP right now.

I don't think there is any trade value in any of THJ/Powell/Bullock/WCS.  They would all be matching fodder for the only real two assets we have, Brunson and DFS.

Hayward is a piece that would fit here like a dream, imo. I have always thought so.

(12-22-2021, 02:19 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]I still like the Bamba/Harris/Magic 2nd round pick package.

Gary Harris has shown some signs of life lately. 14/4/2 with 50/43/77 shooting over the last 10 games as a starter. Magic went 2-8, but he was a net positive in six games, so still seems to be an impact player on defense. You get him in here, probably a decent chance to re-sign him for 18/3 or something to come off the bench. Still only 27 years old.

Mo Bamba is a restricted FA. I´d retain his services and make him compete with a rookie C Mark Williams (our projected pick range). No big investments at C. Add one veteran. Just guys that can defend, rebound and finish at the rim. Bamba even shooting a respectable 33% from three. The big money commitment needs to be made elsewhere.

 We really should have let THJ walk and go hard after Markkanen/Collins. They´d be a perfect front-court fit with somebody like Bamba.

Harris has been crap for years.  It will take more than a 10 game stretch to think he is any different.  This is a kind of move the Mavs would make if they are looking to keep both DFS and Brunson and avoid the tax.  They could hold onto Bamba, but probably not room for Harris.  Just don't see them doing this.

(12-22-2021, 02:08 PM)aguiar95 Wrote: [ -> ]If we are entering the trade KP island, it's just very difficult to find partners who are actually interested in trading FOR Porzingis.  

Brooklyn could use some center help?

Irving to Philly
KP to Brooklyn
Simmons to Dallas?

Of course, the natural question would be...if Philly would take Irving for Simmons, why wouldn't Brooklyn just take back Simmons?

(12-22-2021, 03:30 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Irving to Philly
KP to Brooklyn
Simmons to Dallas?

Yes, please. 

(12-22-2021, 03:30 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Of course, the natural question would be...if Philly would take Irving for Simmons, why wouldn't Brooklyn just take back Simmons?

(12-22-2021, 03:30 PM)DanSchwartzgan Wrote: [ -> ]Brooklyn could use some center help?

Irving to Philly
KP to Brooklyn
Simmons to Dallas?

Of course, the natural question would be...if Philly would take Irving for Simmons, why wouldn't Brooklyn just take back Simmons?

That´s at least a trade I could see. Maybe you have to throw in Brunson, but he might look for a different team in FA anyway, if Simmons is incoming. It´s at least somewhat feasible.

I wonder how close Nico is with Beal. With things going downhill fast in Washington and a PG vacancy as good as any would Beal + Gafford for Porzingis + Brunson + two future 1st round picks get the job done?

Doncic
Beal
Green
DFS
Gafford

(12-22-2021, 05:13 PM)Mavs2021 Wrote: [ -> ]That´s at least a trade I could see. Maybe you have to throw in Brunson, but he might look for a different team in FA anyway, if Simmons is incoming. It´s at least somewhat feasible.

I wonder how close Nico is with Beal. With things going downhill fast in Washington and a PG vacancy as good as any would Beal + Gafford for Porzingis + Brunson + two future 1st round picks get the job done?

Doncic
Beal
Green
DFS
Gafford

No.

Trade 1
THJ / Powell / 2 Round 22 to CAVS Love / Sexton (TPE) to Mavs

Trade 2
Brunson to Knicks
Kemba (TPE) / Dallas 23 to Mavs

Trade 3
Prince / Bullock to Kings
Maxi / Harkless to Timberwolves
Hield / Timberwolves 22 (lot pro) MAV



play Green / Frank as much as possible and naturally we will dive in and probably get a lottery selection .. We come to summer with all the selections + (1 lottery) + love expiring + the rights of Sexton. So we make a consolidation move for a Siakam / Isaak (if he comes back healthy) / Ingram guy or any guy that really consolidates this team.

Mavs
In: Kemba (TPE) / Dallas 23 / Robinson / Prince(Exp)
Out: Maxi / Brunson / WCS

Knicks
In: Brunson / Naz
Out: Robinson / Kemba/Dallas 23

They get an extra cheap anus from Naz, which should be a better fit for Randle (at least on paper)

Timberwolves
In: Maxi / WCS
Out: Prince / Naz




We get our pick back, we get a solid Brunson endorsement, before he walks and we get Robinson's rights ... who do we pay (10?) With the difference from Kemba (8) and what will Jalen cost (16/20?)





thoughts?

(12-23-2021, 08:28 AM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]Mavs
In: Kemba (TPE) / Dallas 23 / Robinson / Prince(Exp)
Out: Maxi / Brunson / WCS

Knicks
In: Brunson / Naz
Out: Robinson / Kemba/Dallas 23

They get an extra cheap anus from Naz, which should be a better fit for Randle (at least on paper)

Timberwolves
In: Maxi / WCS
Out: Prince / Naz




We get our pick back, we get a solid Brunson endorsement, before he walks and we get Robinson's rights ... who do we pay (10?) With the difference from Kemba (8) and what will Jalen cost (16/20?)





thoughts?

Why not just keep Jalen?
Why pay the same for worse players?

We don't need the pick back to trade another or two on draftday.

(12-23-2021, 08:56 AM)Mapka Wrote: [ -> ]Why not just keep Jalen?
Why pay the same for worse players?

We don't need the pick  back to trade another or two on draftday.

I think the pick helps us (in theory) with a trade.  Because of the Stepien rule, we can't trade a first rounder outright until the future, which are less valuable.  Yeah, you can trade and swap on draft night, but swaps like that are less valuable than an outright draft pick that you can use or trade however you want... Pick swaps just don't move the needle as much.

Now where you fall on how valuable that is plays into trading Jalen or not.  You get some players back that might be able to fill the role that Jalen fills when our players are back at full strength, and get a better, younger front court player in Robinson.

Personally, I'm not super excited about the idea, because we always want more playmaking beside Luka and Jalen is shaping up into that very role right before our eyes.  In some ways, it's like that girl who wasn't that attractive and you knew her a long time, and she started taking care of herself, lost weight or whatever, but got more attractive, but you can't stop thinking about her as not attractive...while people who haven't seen her before think she's extremely attractive.

I think we've seen Jalen when he was a second round pick, and second fiddle to DSJ, then he might have some promise, then he was an okay player, then it was "hey, he might have something" and now people across the league are saying things like "the most underrated player in the league", one of the "hottest players in the league" and stuff like that.

The hard part to figure out with Jalen, to stay with the analogy, is he really "attractive" or is it just because we are nearly "closing time" (contract year)?  I like the guy and think he's a hard worker, he's obviously a winner if you follow his career, and he's definitely in the category of what Nick Saban would call an "and" guy and not a "but" guy, but can he keep the production up or is the "contract year" thing, that honestly, seems to be playing out with THJ?

So, does he get paid and production levels off or does he keep improving?   If it's the former, it's a sell high situation and get what you can...maybe with DoeDoe (contract year) too, but who knows?  That's the question...is he what we need going forward and improving or do we parlay that into a better player?

The Mavs actually faced this same issue about 12-13 years ago with another player that they had drafted (well, draft night trade) that was improving, and they traded Devin Harris for Jason Kidd and won a championship...so, they've been here before.  I really didn't want them to trade Harris, because he was improving and it felt more right to win it with one of "our guys", but I was wrong...we'll see now.