(02-02-2022, 12:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953...ng-sabonis
Vucevic went for Wendell Carter Jr, Otto Porter, and 2 FRP. So essentially a young prospect with upside, a salary dump, and 2 FRP.
Mavs have Green (who isn't nearly as good as WCJr), THJ ( a fantastic salary dump imo), and no picks. So Sabonis is priced out (unless the Mavs pull of a 3-teamer with Charlotte).
If we can get a 1st and a prospect with upside for KP, we're right there. Bummers that he can't fetch that.
(02-02-2022, 12:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953...ng-sabonis
Vucevic went for Wendell Carter Jr, Otto Porter, and 2 FRP. So essentially a young prospect with upside, a salary dump, and 2 FRP.
Mavs have Green (who isn't nearly as good as WCJr), THJ ( a fantastic salary dump imo), and no picks. So Sabonis is priced out (unless the Mavs pull off a 3-teamer with Charlotte).
In fact, this 3-team trade makes sense for all parties:
CHA: Porzingis + (Maxi, or Warren, or Craig, or Brissett)
IND: Hayward, Bouknight, 2027 first from DAL, 2025 first from CHA
DAL: Sabonis, Lamb.
Charlotte pays a single 1st for KP and get out from Hayward's expensive money. They provide the young prospect who really hasn't shown much at all and plays a position that is currently stacked for CHA.
Indiana gets their 2 firsts which is the main coup. Hayward is a hometown guy that they've long had interest for. Bouknight is the young prospect.
Dallas gets out from KP and replaces him with another skilled big in Sabonis, and while he has his own downsides, he's a sub all-star. They use their TPE to eat lamb.
The only issue is IND is about 1 mil over the tax with this trade. Maybe including one of their plethora of forwards is the only other step. A guy like Warren, Craig, or Brissett is enough to fix the tax issue and we can route them to CHA who replaces Hayward. Mavs could also send Maxi to CHA and take back another bad salary for the Pacers to keep things working. Lots of variations here.
Sort of off topic, but I was thinking about the Orlando/Chicago trade last year after playing Orlando last week. Chicago have been one of the better stories of the year. They have fell back some due to some injuries lately, but they are good. But Orlando did really good on that trade. To get Wendell Carter (playing well when healthy), Franz Wagner (really good) and a future first. That is quite the haul.
As good as Vucevic is, I do worry about how he holds up in the playoffs. I am not sure how it would have impacted the Bulls moves this offseason, but it can be argued Carter, Wagner and that future first would have put them in a better position rather than having Vuc.
(02-02-2022, 01:03 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Sort of off topic, but I was thinking about the Orlando/Chicago trade last year after playing Orlando last week. Chicago have been one of the better stories of the year. They have fell back some due to some injuries lately, but they are good. But Orlando did really good on that trade. To get Wendell Carter (playing well when healthy), Franz Wagner (really good) and a future first. That is quite the haul.
As good as Vucevic is, I do worry about how he holds up in the playoffs. I am not sure how it would have impacted the Bulls moves this offseason, but it can be argued Carter, Wagner and that future first would have put them in a better position rather than having Vuc.
Agree. I think the biggest reason for the turnaround is DeRozan, Ball and Caruso. They would have been better off not to make the Vuc trade.
(02-02-2022, 08:03 AM)Razzmatazz_Hopskidillydoo Wrote: [ -> ]^I think KP is on the move too.
Possibly the Mavs get a combination of expiring salaries, a fallen angel or young player/players with potential but their team has lost patience with.
It will underwhelm Mav fans.. but hey.. at least they can keep DFS and Brunson and sign them long term.
I will be stunned if the Mavs move KP. There has been no hint of it, and I don't see any way they do that to dump salary. It would have to be for a big name, and I have not seen any move that really makes sense. The closest is probably McCollum but that does not make sense if we are holding on to Brunson.
(02-02-2022, 01:18 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I will be stunned if the Mavs move KP. There has been no hint of it, and I don't see any way they do that to dump salary. It would have to be for a big name, and I have not seen any move that really makes sense. The closest is probably McCollum but that does not make sense if we are holding on to Brunson.
If he keeps getting hurt, they very well could move him. "The best ability is availability." The 64 dollar question is would another team be willing to take on his contract due to injury history? I mean, how long is he out now? I just don't think KP is the consistent number2 Luka needs to help get the team to the next level. That's me though.
(02-02-2022, 12:04 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953...ng-sabonis
Vucevic went for Wendell Carter Jr, Otto Porter, and 2 FRP. So essentially a young prospect with upside, a salary dump, and 2 FRP.
Mavs have Green (who isn't nearly as good as WCJr), THJ ( a fantastic salary dump imo), and no picks. So Sabonis is priced out (unless the Mavs pull off a 3-teamer with Charlotte).
In fact, this 3-team trade makes sense for all parties:
CHA: Porzingis + (Maxi, or Warren, or Craig, or Brissett)
IND: Hayward, Bouknight, 2027 first from DAL, 2025 first from CHA
DAL: Sabonis, Lamb.
Charlotte pays a single 1st for KP and get out from Hayward's expensive money. They provide the young prospect who really hasn't shown much at all and plays a position that is currently stacked for CHA.
Indiana gets their 2 firsts which is the main coup. Hayward is a hometown guy that they've long had interest for. Bouknight is the young prospect.
Dallas gets out from KP and replaces him with another skilled big in Sabonis, and while he has his own downsides, he's a sub all-star. They use their TPE to eat lamb.
The only issue is IND is about 1 mil over the tax with this trade. Maybe including one of their plethora of forwards is the only other step. A guy like Warren, Craig, or Brissett is enough to fix the tax issue and we can route them to CHA who replaces Hayward. Mavs could also send Maxi to CHA and take back another bad salary for the Pacers to keep things working. Lots of variations here.
OPJ was expiring so I'm not sure the THJ comparison is apt.
KP is not getting traded. Lol people.
(02-02-2022, 01:40 PM)HoosierDaddyKid Wrote: [ -> ]If he keeps getting hurt, they very well could move him. "The best ability is availability." The 64 dollar question is would another team be willing to take on his contract due to injury history? I mean, how long is he out now? I just don't think KP is the consistent number2 Luka needs to help get the team to the next level. That's me though.
Its not just you, KP is somewhat fools good. He is useful, don't get me wrong however I just do not think he is the piece we need. He needs to be on a team where he can be the alpha.
(02-02-2022, 01:18 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I will be stunned if the Mavs move KP. There has been no hint of it, and I don't see any way they do that to dump salary. It would have to be for a big name, and I have not seen any move that really makes sense. The closest is probably McCollum but that does not make sense if we are holding on to Brunson.
I don't disagree, but P.T. Barnum said "there's one born every minute". Who would have ever though CP3 would get traded? Or Westbrook? Or Hardin? Those were pretty untouchable contracts just a few years ago, or so everyone thought.
(02-01-2022, 05:52 PM)sterlingmallory Wrote: [ -> ]It seems like stuff like this comes out every few weeks and there are still people on this board who want him on our team. When are people going to realize that this is just who Simmons is and it's not going to change just because he's on a different team? Ben Simmons is the absolute definition of a soft diva and always will be. You will never get the ideal version of Ben because he doesn't want to be. If you're dreaming about Ben Simmons in some magical scenario where he suddenly becomes this team first guy that does whatever it takes to win, even if it means sacrificing his own ego, you're living in a fantasy that will never happen. What will end up happening is you will trade 30+ million dollars worth of assets for him and be left with a selfish diva who only cares about himself and shrinks when it matters most. Then you'll be screwed because you just spent all your remaining assets on this guy. Ben Simmons is seriously up there with Rondo in my mind as someone I NEVER want to see in a Mavericks uniform. Ever.
I don´t know many people that would walk away from 20M dollars just to stick to their principles. He could have shown up, half-assed the whole season and cashed 20M dollars.
I mean he also was a whooping net +19.5 on/off in the play-offs last year, while Embiid was +19.9. Maybe the question should be how much of a bum you must be as a headcoach to get a +20 headstart in virtually a 14 minute game, and still lose 4 out of 7.
It’s weird the correlation (or lack thereof) of rumors to actual trades. Does the lack of smoke around KP’s name at this juncture make a trade less likely or more? There was a bit of smoke last summer and he wasn’t moved. How does that factor in?
My guess is nobody knows.
This Dragic thing, on the other hand, seems totally sus. Miami takes his overpay option so they can trade him to Toronto, who doesn’t even want him? Then Toronto plays hardball refusing to play him or buy him out? Now there are very obviously planted rumors that Miami wants him back if he’s traded and bought out? It all smells like an illegal handshake deal last summer between Riley and Ujiri—promising that the Heat will provide backdoor compensation if Toronto can’t unload the guy.
(02-02-2022, 02:12 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]OPJ was expiring so I'm not sure the THJ comparison is apt.
Timmy isn't the salary dump. Its Gordon Hayward. Who by all accounts is a MUCH better player than OPJ ever was. So yes he's not expiring, he's still someone IND has had a long time interest in. Further it also follows the logic that IND would want some established players to keep being good around the core of Brogdon+Turner. Especially if Warren is going to leave in the summer.
Scroll over to the third one. Bobby Marks made some trades for each team and this was his for the Mavs. Not reporting anything but just putting trades together.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZfnrRGuZLz/
Dallas gets Johns Collins
ATL gets DFS, Maxi, Bullock and 25 and 27 first round picks.
(02-02-2022, 07:36 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Scroll over to the third one. Bobby Marks made some trades for each team and this was his for the Mavs. Not reporting anything but just putting trades together.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZfnrRGuZLz/
Dallas gets Johns Collins
ATL gets DFS, Maxi, Bullock and 25 and 27 first round picks.
First of all. Hell no. Secondly. It would be nice if media guys would at least put some kind of effort into this. As of now the the proposed trade isn´t even legal.
(02-02-2022, 07:36 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]Dallas gets Johns Collins
ATL gets DFS, Maxi, Bullock and 25 and 27 first round picks.
I think that is realistic price. The question of course is if Mavs can afford to pay it. DFS is heart and soul of the team defense, Maxi is the only PF as it is and Bullock is a serviceable wing. Mavs would get a big wing hole, and the only way to fill it would be rMLE and 2022 pick. It would be really necessary to move THJ for defensive minded 3-d wing.
On the other hand, Luka-Brunson-Collins and KP is an interesting core. Collins would vastly increase our ceiling. A contender shouldn't have problem finding useful reserves on PF spot. The big question would be that SF spot.
(02-02-2022, 07:57 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think that is realistic price. The question of course is if Mavs can afford to pay it. DFS is heart and soul of the team defense, Maxi is the only PF as it is and Bullock is a serviceable wing. Mavs would get a big wing hole, and the only way to fill it would be rMLE and 2022 pick. It would be really necessary to move THJ for defensive minded 3-d wing.
On the other hand, Luka-Brunson-Collins and KP is an interesting core. Collins would vastly increase our ceiling. A contender shouldn't have problem finding useful reserves on PF spot. The big question would be that SF spot.
My first thought is I am not sure the Mavs are ready for that all in move yet. My second thought is I wonder if you could do that deal by keeping DFS out. It would seem he would be a rental for ATL who already have a crunch for minutes with wings Although that would still leave Dallas with a big tax bill if they signed DFS and Brunson this offseason.
two firsts, Maxi and Bullock would be interesting. I think a deal like that this offseason may be more in play. Maybe with our pick this year after it is made.
How about Kristaps Porzingis and Moses Brown to the Portland Trailblazers for Norman Powell and Robert Covington?
The Blazers may need a shake up of their roster and may explore putting a shooting big man next to Lillard and McCollum. I heard that they are shopping both Covington and Powell. KP is still an all star caliber talent when healthy. This will also solve the log jam at the guard position for them. Moses is a young project who they can try to develop.
For the Mavs, Powell can be the offensive fire power off the bench who will not be a liability on defense. And, of course, Covington is a 3 and D guy at the 4 spot to further more shore up the defense.
The Mavs can have a starting line up of:
Luka, JB, DFS, RoCo, Maxi
A bunch of 3 and D players surrounding the shot-creation of Luka and JB.
Off the bench, Powell will provide the scoring fire power to sustain the offense.
I think that is a fair trade for both teams.
(02-02-2022, 08:02 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ]My first thought is I am not sure the Mavs are ready for that all in move yet. My second thought is I wonder if you could do that deal by keeping DFS out. It would seem he would be a rental for ATL who already have a crunch for minutes with wings Although that would still leave Dallas with a big tax bill if they signed DFS and Brunson this offseason.
two firsts, Maxi and Bullock would be interesting. I think a deal like that this offseason may be more in play. Maybe with our pick this year after it is made.
If the Mavs could make this deal, they would have to pull the trigger. Is actually the perfect time to go all in if its the right player, and Collins would be the right player. A KP/Collins/DFS/Luka/Brunson starting lineup is probably contender worthy, and it would be a lot easier for Cuban to pay the tax for that then running it back for the 4th year in a row.