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Another interesting rumor from that Chad Ford podcast was that Danny Ainge might look to put Gobert on the block just to see what offers are there.

Coming back to Marcus Smart. Celtics looked a lot better in the last few games and he is a big reason for the turnaround. They are 5-1 since he returned from health and safety protocols.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1488334324114014216?s=20&t=wTBxnRdaTn5wOr2e0X0VwA

His value is going up. Recent rumors mentioned the Hawks and T´Wolves as potential landing spots but the way he is playing right now the Celtics would most likely tank their season if they trade him for picks and matching salary. They probably want a win now piece with similar value.

(02-02-2022, 11:11 PM)Okstate819 Wrote: [ -> ]The most concerning aspect of the last two games is Brunson’s inability to help vs length when Luka desperately needs someone else to step up. It’s a concern that will only be exasperated in the playoffs as we saw last year vs Batum. If you can use Brunson to get a long term starter such as Collins or Grant, do it yesterday.

Unfortunately correct. I´d add that finishing is not even the problem. He can still reliably get his points. 17.5 points on +50% shooting in the last two games. It´s that he cannot see the floor well enough against physical pressure. Last two games he had six assists against seven turnovers.

Nevertheless the problem remains the same. We need a real #2 scorer/play-maker. Brunson is perfectly fine as a JET. We´d have none of these problems, if they went after Ball or DeRozan in the summer instead of Lowry and THJ.

(02-03-2022, 12:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]At this point in their careers, CP3 was already a 3x all-star, 3x All-NBA (one 1st, one 2nd, one 3rd), 3x all-defense team (two 1st, one 2nd), 2x NBA assists leader, 2x NBA steals leader, and had lead New Orleans to a 56 win season with a 2nd round berth.

Brunson will never be at that level. I think he can still be a really good player. I view him as a prime Andre Miller who was a great player with a long career. No shame in that.

Good comparison.  I am hoping he turns out like FVV, but I do not think he has the lateral quickness to play good D like FVV.  However, I never thought he would be this good........he works at his craft.

(02-03-2022, 12:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Another interesting rumor from that Chad Ford podcast was that Danny Ainge might look to put Gobert on the block just to see what offers are there.

That's odd and seems foolish.  Why would you mess with someone of Gobert's caliber who wants to play for your team and your city (UTAH).  Maybe some of the Mitchell rumblings are true.

(02-03-2022, 12:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]At this point in their careers, CP3 was already a 3x all-star, 3x All-NBA (one 1st, one 2nd, one 3rd), 3x all-defense team (two 1st, one 2nd), 2x NBA assists leader, 2x NBA steals leader, and had lead New Orleans to a 56 win season with a 2nd round berth.

Brunson will never be at that level. I think he can still be a really good player. I view him as a prime Andre Miller who was a great player with a long career. No shame in that.

Since his rookie year, I’ve always thought of him as a Derek Fisher starter kit. Great leader/floor general, tough as nails, made up for size in little ways. I think FVV is a bit much due to the defense difference that I don’t think JB will have. DF was a great charge taker and crafty defender, that is my hope for JB.

Chris Paul is one of the best PGs of all time. No way Brunson is that or will become, although you never know. As pointed out, at this time of career, Paul did a lot more. Fisher may be better comparison, but Brunson seems a lot better player. Averaging already 15.8 ppg and 5.5 assists this season, early in his NBA career. Both would be career best for Fischer and he had many seasons similar playing time. Brunson is by far a better offensive weapon, and this is not the best comparison IMO, but he is closer to Fisher, than he is to Paul.

Brunson is somewhere in between the two. If he keeps up his development, as he did every season so far, all-star level is very likely destination for Brunson. Playoffs are a lot about matchups. For Luka you cant scheme. We need to add a second player that you cant scheme for. For your third player, it is normal that certain teams can match the third guy as Brunson. Most teams will/are not able to in regular season, it depends on the matchup. Clippers could, but Brunson has also become a lot better. I think our second player behind Luka, needs to be that driving force, which we completely lack. Brunson as third guy can be that often in playoffs, but not expected to do each time. He is not Chris Paul level. We wont be able to add a third, that is matchup proof and that cant be schemed for. Brunson is as good as we can get for that third role. He has been outstanding.

(02-03-2022, 12:55 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Another interesting rumor from that Chad Ford podcast was that Danny Ainge might look to put Gobert on the block just to see what offers are there.

KP for Gobert!

What about something along these lines?

ATL: Simmons
PHI: KP, Brunson
DAL: Collins, Dieng

All three teams swap players that have some question marks with their current team (to varying degrees) and land in spots that may be better fits.

(02-03-2022, 12:30 PM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]Brunson will never be at that level. I think he can still be a really good player. I view him as a prime Andre Miller who was a great player with a long career. No shame in that.

Andre Miller was not the mid range pull up assassin out of pick and roll that Brunson is. I just can’t stress enough how important the skill is, especially in today’s game. It is literally the thing that has made Chris Paul who he is.

Never say never.

(02-04-2022, 12:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Andre Miller was not the mid range pull up assassin out of pick and roll that Brunson is. I just can’t stress enough how important the skill is, especially in today’s game. It is literally the thing that has made Chris Paul who he is.

Never say never.

Is this Mark Cuban?

Will you please address the consistent shutdown of the Brunson Burner when wing-sized defenders are in front of it? Thanks!

#MakeBrunsonAKnick

(02-03-2022, 03:36 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]That's odd and seems foolish.  Why would you mess with someone of Gobert's caliber who wants to play for your team and your city (UTAH).  Maybe some of the Mitchell rumblings are true.

Love the “city” mention. Perhaps Dirk’s best quote ever.

(02-04-2022, 12:29 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: [ -> ]Andre Miller was not the mid range pull up assassin out of pick and roll that Brunson is. I just can’t stress enough how important the skill is, especially in today’s game. It is literally the thing that has made Chris Paul who he is.

Never say never.

Really? I mean I don't think Miller ever got up enough volume to be considered an elite mid range shooter, but he was always respectable. He was a career 40.3% mid-range shooter. But looking at Millers first 3 years in the league the same time as Brunson is now, he shot 43%. Brunson's first 3 years were 48.5% 

Should Brunson continue this efficiency he'd land statistically as the greatest mid-range shooter in the last 20 years. Beating out  
1. Nash (47.9%), 2. Dirk (47.2%), 3. Al Horford (47.02%), 4. CP3 himself (47.00%) and 5. David West (46.97%), and Jet being rightfully 6th with 46.70%. (parameters being over 12000 mins played and had attempted 1000 shots between 2000-2021).

Source (https://www.pbpstats.com/totals/nba/play...02,2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason)

Point is, the odds that Brunson can continue this kind of efficiency are impossibly slim. Especially accounting for the entire picture where Brunson isn't a great FT shooter nor 3pt shooter.  Literally only Michael Jordan had a higher mid range shooting %. In fact we might see some serious correction to the mean. After doing some digging on this it makes me even more motivated to sell high on Brunson.

I don´t think his mid-range is a fluke. He´s a savant similar to Steve Nash, CP3 or JJB, when it comes to generate scoring pockets for himself in the paint/mid-range. He´s just not a natural pure PG. He´s a scorer. He´s a smart and unselfish kid, so with only have two playmakers on the whole roster, he´ll automatically generate assists. Nevertheless he can be turned over and his passing taken away, when the opposing team really puts scheme and effort to it. Then he becomes purely a scorer. On a team that has no other PG besides Luka, it´s kind of a problem. Luka needs a break, Brunson is reduced to scoring, so who runs the offense?

(02-02-2022, 07:36 PM)Chicagojk Wrote: [ -> ] 
Dallas gets Johns Collins
ATL gets DFS, Maxi, Bullock and 25 and 27 first round picks.

Was playing around with guys who match the money going out with DFS, Maxi and Bullock.  Interestingly, Fox is almost an exact match.  DFS starts, Maxi is valuable given two bigs are FA's this summer.  Bullock provides some much needed bench D.

Not sure what (if anything) to do with Fox in Dallas.  Maybe this is the answer to "who replaces Brunson if you trade him".  So, now you have PG filled and some compensation from NY.  But, you are still down two starters.  So, now this has to be an even bigger deal where you send THJ and picks somewhere.  Seems too big to be realistic.  I mainly wanted to point out the financial match of those three guys with Fox FWIW.

(02-03-2022, 09:33 PM)Jmaciscool Wrote: [ -> ]What about something along these lines?

ATL: Simmons
PHI: KP, Brunson
DAL: Collins, Dieng

All three teams swap players that have some question marks with their current team (to varying degrees) and land in spots that may be better fits.

Not giving up KP and Brunson for Collins.  That leaves too many holes and no way to fill them.  We can't walk out of this TDL with even less play making than we have now.  Maybe you do KP + Green, but I doubt PHI wants KP so you would need a fourth team.  Hard to see a Collins trade unless we get our 23 (Brunson trade) and send multiple picks to ATL, but then we still have a playmaking issue.

Here is the problem with trading Brunson:

He has improved statistically every year so for anyone to say he cannot be this or he is this is ignoring those important points. Why do I bring those points up, he has not reached his ceiling yet and I have said from Day 1 he is approaching the path of possibly being Kyle Lowery who was better after 28 than he was before age 28. 

I WOUD NOT TRADE JALEN BRUNSON

The Mavericks need to figure out how to improve but add to their core and Brunson is a part of that core. I also see DFS as a part of that core but I do not view him as a starter. Remember the Warriors had Iggy coming off the bench when they were a championship squad. DFS is our version of a young Iggy in terms of what he brings to the table. 

The guy that needs to go is KP and we need better pieces and more veteran leadership. It would also not hurt to keep our draft pick in 2022 and move up and get another critical piece. This is a pretty legit draft IMO. BTW my issues with KP are health not talent. You cannot win and be a legit contender when your 2nd or 3rd best player is in street clothes when you need him. That has been the case every year with KP since he has been a Mav.

(02-04-2022, 10:24 AM)Omega_Supreme Wrote: [ -> ]He has improved statistically every year so for anyone to say he cannot be this or he is this is ignoring those important points. Why do I bring those points up, he has not reached his ceiling yet and I have said from Day 1 he is approaching the path of possibly being Kyle Lowery who was better after 28 than he was before age 28. 

His raw numbers improved statistically mainly because he got more opportunities. But if you look at his stats per100 possessions, Brunson has largely been the same guy the last two years. He's been really good don't get me wrong. But I think his value is at its highest right now, because once Brunson signs for 18mm a year I think the number of suitors for him drops.

(02-04-2022, 10:22 AM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]Not giving up KP and Brunson for Collins.  That leaves too many holes and no way to fill them.  We can't walk out of this TDL with even less play making than we have now.  Maybe you do KP + Green, but I doubt PHI wants KP so you would need a fourth team.  Hard to see a Collins trade unless we get our 23 (Brunson trade) and send multiple picks to ATL, but then we still have a playmaking issue.

This 100%. That's why I think that 3-team trade I proposed with Charlotte and IND is best for everyone involved.

DAL: Sabonis+bad contract into the TPE (I chose Lamb)
CHA: KP+Maxi
IND: Hayward+Bouknight+1st from DAL+1st from CHA

Mavs essentially swap out KP for Sabonis and pay only a 1st for him. Losing Maxi hurts but again he's not irreplaceable.

(02-04-2022, 11:06 AM)SleepingHero Wrote: [ -> ]This 100%. That's why I think that 3-team trade I proposed with Charlotte and IND is best for everyone involved.

DAL: Sabonis+bad contract into the TPE (I chose Lamb)
CHA: KP+Maxi
IND: Hayward+Bouknight+1st from DAL+1st from CHA

Mavs essentially swap out KP for Sabonis and pay only a 1st for him. Losing Maxi hurts but again he's not irreplaceable.

I like it, because I like how Sabonis plays (well, not so much his defense), but it seems like Indy is not getting enough.  They are giving up an All Star and Lamb for Hayward, Bouknight and 2 mid to late round firsts.  I suspect they would want more.  They might want Green added to that package if Rick thinks he is a good prospect.