(01-25-2022, 11:48 AM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]JB alone isn't going to get you an all-star, not even close. He is your best asset to package, no doubt, but we need to be realistic. Creating cap space isn't impossible either.
I also don't see a lot of angst for trading JB either but it is important to remember that JB controls his destiny, not the Mavs. He could want more than the Mavs are willing to pay. He could take less to go somewhere else. If he wants to go to another team that has cap issues, he could request both the Mavs and said team work out a trade with the threat to the Mavs of walking for nothing. JB's attitude towards the Mavs is the big unknown. We know he wants an expanded role and we have a good idea of the money he wants.
For your Celtics idea, I haven't really kept up on Nesmith but I kind of doubt they'd want that deal.
I doubt that Mavs would want the Harris deal.
I think you are underestimating what Collins could return in a trade.
I would do the Celtics deal without Nesmith (he is having a rough year and may be a bust anyways). I think trading for Smart makes it less likely Brunson wants to stay here and probably a signal he wont. If we are going to dump Brunson for pick(s) this trade would make a lot of sense.
(01-25-2022, 12:23 PM)bearforce1 Wrote: [ -> ]How about THJ & Powell for Tobias Harris & Philly's 2023 FRP (lotto-protected) straight up? I know Tobias Harris' money gets crazy soon, but its a talent upgrade + an asset we could use for a future move. Plus its Cuban's $, not mine 
I would do it, but it would be a hit to the starting lineup defense. Makes more sense to me if we move on from Brunson.
I'd do THJ to Orlando for Gary Harris plus their 1st round pick.
(01-25-2022, 01:34 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I would do it, but it would be a hit to the starting lineup defense. Makes more sense to me if we move on from Brunson.
Why does Philly make the trade though? I'd think they'd want to hold onto their near-term draft assets until the Ben Simmons situation is figured out. They might need picks to get the trade they really want.
(01-25-2022, 01:34 PM)mvossman Wrote: [ -> ]I would do it, but it would be a hit to the starting lineup defense. Makes more sense to me if we move on from Brunson.
Harris would be an ultimate "f*ck luxury tax" move, which is why I don' think Mavs would do it. I would prefer to keep Brunson. Starting lineup might suffer a bit defensively, but offensive improvement should be much bigger and we would have many options to keep good 2way lineups on all the time. Bring Dragic to replace THJ and we could have something.
I don't think Philly would have any interest in the proposed deal. I think they are looking for expiring money to get more flexibility in the summer, if they are moving from Harris. THJ and Powell is basically same money as Harris and neither contract is stellar, so I am not sure why they would give us the pick. Mavs are still getting the best player in this deal.
I like Harris although that contract is crazy... what do you think about recovering Barnes...?
(01-25-2022, 01:40 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do THJ to Orlando for Gary Harris plus their 1st round pick.
Your valuation of THJ must be very high
I think Orlando would expect a pick from us to eat THJ money. They have zero need for him in their rebuilding stage.
Obviously, this is a somewhat simple analysis that has exceptions in a lot of categories. I am just tired of seeing DP or MK get pushed around on the boards without an answer and tired of seeing other teams use their speed to get easy looks. Meanwhile, we are having to fight and scratch for every point.
I have always tried to look at players and what dimensions do they bring to the table and what dimensions do they lack. Some of the dimensions I look at are: BBIQ, skill, physicality, length, speed/quickness, hard working...etc. For instance, JB brings BBIQ, skill, and some physicality but lacks speed and length. IMO, the mavs (based on what I see, not stats) lack physicality and speed.......moreso for the playoffs than the regular season, IMO. Length, which we have, will counter speed in most cases, but speed often counters physicality. I would like to get either a player with game changing speed or physicality in a trade without crushing us in another dimension (Trey Burke, Boban come to mind...they have those traits but are not useful in most situations). Powell, KP, and Maxi are not physical enough for playoff bball as a group. Is Siakam or Harris? Luka, JB, THJ, RB do not have quickness and speed as a group....is there someone we can trade for that does? I am looking to add diversity to our attack.
IMO, playoff bball tends to be more physical and defensive. It seems to me, Kidd wants to play this way. I think we have some length (can always use more), but we need to add toughness and/or quickness. Any thoughts on players we can trade for to help?
(01-25-2022, 01:43 PM)Mikelo Wrote: [ -> ]what do you think about recovering Barnes...?
I think Barnes is valued way too high. It would require serious assets and I don't think he is enough of a difference maker to justify that. I also don't think we have players Sacramento would like in their play-in pursuit.
(01-25-2022, 01:40 PM)DallasMaverick Wrote: [ -> ]I'd do THJ to Orlando for Gary Harris plus their 1st round pick.
Chicago's 23 or the more transient Nuggets pick. I kind of doubt they'd trade either. They are rebuilding so they'll want to collect assets/picks, not send them out.
(01-25-2022, 01:46 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think Barnes is valued way too high. It would require serious assets and I don't think he is enough of a difference maker to justify that. I also don't think we have players Sacramento would like in their play-in pursuit.
No idea what the Kings think Barnes value is but they do seem like a blow-it-up candidate. Maybe rebuild around Haliburton and Holmes and try to squeeze assets out of Barnes, Buddy and Fox. I'm with you as far as interest in our players or concerned, but then again, it's the Kings so who knows? Interest in JB wouldn't surprise me. I don't have a lot of interest in their players I think would be available. We've been on the Barnes roller coaster and brining him back would just be awkward. We have our own version of Buddy. I have no idea what to make of Fox and I think he'd be expensive.
Are you guys talking about H. Barnes, former Mav? I love the guy for his counseling abilities, and he can score while everyone stands around and watches him go to work, but it doesn't seem like he fits Kidd's ball movement goals. Don't you guys remember why we were frustrated with HB?
(01-25-2022, 01:56 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]they do seem like a blow-it-up candidate
I think the signals from Kings so far have been to do everything to reach play-in. They are allegedly one of the teams most interested in Simons. I agree they should blow it up and retool around Haliburton. But they are rebuilding for like 15 years now, so I can understand why they prefer not to.
(01-25-2022, 01:57 PM)fifteenth Wrote: [ -> ]Are you guys talking about H. Barnes, former Mav? I love the guy for his counseling abilities, and he can score while everyone stands around and watches him go to work, but it doesn't seem like he fits Kidd's ball movement goals. Don't you guys remember why we were frustrated with HB?
Number one option if the Mavs need to perform an exorcism. Luka´s tattoos are probably the sole reason for his shooting slump. Let HB work his magic.
We could try to get Wes and DAJ back too. Get the band back together!!
(01-25-2022, 02:06 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]I think the signals from Kings so far have been to do everything to reach play-in. They are allegedly one of the teams most interested in Simons. I agree they should blow it up and retool around Haliburton. But they are rebuilding for like 15 years now, so I can understand why they prefer not to.
Yeah, I've heard/read in a few places some speculation that the Kings' goal at this deadline is to end up with Simmons and Sabonis. No idea if it's true or even realistically possible.
(01-25-2022, 01:41 PM)cow Wrote: [ -> ]Why does Philly make the trade though? I'd think they'd want to hold onto their near-term draft assets until the Ben Simmons situation is figured out. They might need picks to get the trade they really want.
It's been reported they want to get off Tobias Harris' contract, but you might be right about something like this only getting done if Simmons is moved by the TDL.
BUT I kind of doubt Morey is thinking he'll need to attach picks to move Simmons - his entire posture with Simmons has been that he's positive value and teams will have to pay up to get him, not the other way around. Obviously just posturing, so maybe you're right...
(01-25-2022, 01:42 PM)omahen Wrote: [ -> ]Harris would be an ultimate "f*ck luxury tax" move, which is why I don' think Mavs would do it. I would prefer to keep Brunson. Starting lineup might suffer a bit defensively, but offensive improvement should be much bigger and we would have many options to keep good 2way lineups on all the time. Bring Dragic to replace THJ and we could have something.
I don't think Philly would have any interest in the proposed deal. I think they are looking for expiring money to get more flexibility in the summer, if they are moving from Harris. THJ and Powell is basically same money as Harris and neither contract is stellar, so I am not sure why they would give us the pick. Mavs are still getting the best player in this deal.
Tobias Harris would be the best player in this deal, but he's probably the most negative value contract in the deal too so that's why I proposed Philly adding a FRP.
To me, this is somewhat akin to the Wizards breaking up the Westbrook contract for a few pieces from the Lakers. THJ and Powell are basically the same money as Harris but they expire sooner/decline in value and are more easily tradable.
Just Scattering shooting but is Luka, JB, DFS, Marcus Smart, KP a lineup that could close games. Is there enough shooting?
I think if Boston moves Smart they are probably going to look to get a point guard back. Could a framework be built around Dallas getting Smart.
Boston getting Kleber and TJ McConnell from Pacers (out hurt at the moment).
Indiana probably wouldn't want Hardaway so maybe Hardaway goes to a fourth team and Indiana get something else.
The Guardian finds a new team to write an article about.
I know...pretty messy. Hardaway is the tricky one because I don't see interest from Indiana.